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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:27 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:01 pm
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"Keith Meredith" <merry050.DeleteThis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Hi
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> What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
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> Keith
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Hiya
****For flat water paddling****:
1/ membership of a suitable club.
Most flat water clubs will have items 7 to 10 available for new members to
borrow.
2/ wet shoes (not boots)
3/ leggings or shorts
4/ T shirts
5/ cag (only used if the weather is very chilly, or during heavy rain)
6/ Floatie glasses strap if the paddler wears glasses.
Items 2 to 6 are personal needs, are an aid to comfort if they fit properly,
and much nicer to know they are clean!
7/ BA (usually discarded after the initial stabilisation and learning
period, except for when competing in lower divisional races)
8/ paddle
9/ spray deck (not used by a lot of flat water paddlers)
10/ boat
Items 7 to 10 can be bought when the novice has tried out a variety of kit,
and has a better idea of what suits their individual needs.
11/ drink bottle/bag may be needed if racing.
12/ I like to wear a canvas Tilly hat while paddling. It is water proof, it
floats, it keeps the sun out of my eyes & off my head, it also keeps the
rain off my head and off my glasses. It keeps flies off my head and deflects
them away from my face. When racing I soak the hat in the water just before
the start and it cools me down. I can keep a spare key and £5 in a sealed
plastic bag in the pocket hidden in the crown of the hat. When I'm out in
windy weather, the brim folds up on either side to reduce the drag and the
hat fastens on to my head with an adjustable tie at the back. For really
strong winds it also ties on under my chin. My Tilly hat is my favourite
canoeing accessory. I wash it in the dishwasher (no, not with the dishes
in!).
13/ Extended V- bars & bungees to transport the boat to races.
14/ roof rack to mount V bars on.
15/ vehicle to mount roof rack on.
(A very few clubs have their own trailer to transport member's boats to
races.
Often a fellow club member will offer to transport a new member's boat until
they can obtain their own rack & transport)
Note; all the above applies to flat water; bumpy water paddling may have
different customs in place.
David
Not a fan of over spending too soon.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:02 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:07 pm
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In message <431f4762$0$6467$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>
Bill Oldroyd <bill DeleteThis @oldieshome.org.uk> wrote:
> Keith Meredith wrote:
> > Hi
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> > What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
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> > Keith
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> Have you looked here ?.
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> http://www.bcu.org.uk/aboutus/gettingstarted.html
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> Bill
1 Cag
2 Thermals
3 wetsuit boots
4 Paddle
5 Buoyancy aid
6 Helmet
Then the order gets more difficult depending a lot on what sort of paddling is planned, and what time of year
Car
Roofrack
Waterproof Kitbag
Boat (yes I meant this to be last).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:43 am
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"Alan Adams" <alan.adams RemoveThis @orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <431f4762$0$6467$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>
> Bill Oldroyd <bill RemoveThis @oldieshome.org.uk> wrote:
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> > Keith Meredith wrote:
> > > Hi
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> > > What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
> > >
> > > Keith
> >
> > Have you looked here ?.
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> > http://www.bcu.org.uk/aboutus/gettingstarted.html
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> > Bill
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> 1 Cag
> 2 Thermals
> 3 wetsuit boots
> 4 Paddle
> 5 Buoyancy aid
> 6 Helmet
>
> Then the order gets more difficult depending a lot on what sort of
paddling is planned, and what time of year
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> Car
> Roofrack
> Waterproof Kitbag
> Boat (yes I meant this to be last).
>
I'd take a different approach since I teach kids, as I suspect will Keith.
1. Light footwear, preferably wetsuit boots, but something close fitting and
compact - save the complaint of feet getting stuck.
2. Cag - one with neoprene cuffs and a velcro neck seal will do initially.
By the time they get to 3 star most kids will need another one anyway.
3. Thermals
Since we provide all the boats, helmets etc there is no need for any more
purchases - but...
4. Helmet
5. Buoyancy Aid
Depending upon how comfortable the Club ones are...
Then look at a paddle and boat.
By this time they should also be looking at building up their first aid and
emergency kit. The contents of the latter being a source of much debate
perhaps they should be best left for another thread.
Of course it helps if they have some way of getting their boat to the water.
If the newbie is under 17 the car doesn't figure, here they usually have a
pre-available parent for transport. Or a club with a communal trailer.
Waterproof kitbag.... hmmm. So that the wet gear can be dumped in it and
forgotten till birds fall out of the sky when you open it 
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:32 am
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Keith Meredith wrote:
> What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
How new is new?
First thing I'd advise is getting enough experience to get an idea of
what you'll want, c/o a club and/or paddling pals. A couple of folk I
know spent ~ £4K before they'd even done any real paddling, which I
regard as frankly insane. I don't want to discourage this sort of thing
as it should mean a very healthy second hand sea boat market in a couple
of years, but it really is Quite Mad buying before you can reasonably be
sure what you want *and* you can borrow until you find out.
Having borrowed stuff from club and friends to start with, first stuff I
got for myself was a BA and a cag, because at least sea paddling these
are the items that make the biggest comfort difference (if you're 10
miles between landings then pockets on a BA make a /huge/ difference!).
Wet suit was next, for forays into rivers and surf. As with the wet
suit, one's own helmet means a selection can be made for personal fit
rather than the nearest you can get from the club's store.
Pete.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:59 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:18 am
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For chucking real money I would spend all the extra or available cash (
after food and rent ) on a BA and a paddle. If you love the sport a
high quality BA and Paddle willl make a huge difference.
You have some really great information from the other posters.
The Forst Aid / Emergency kit mentioned does deserve a string of its
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:15 pm
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Keith Meredith wrote:
> Hi
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> What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
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> Keith
My club lists it as follows, after buying a long john wet suit :
If you get the canoeing bug your purchase list should then be 1- wet suit
boots, 2 - drycag ( a
warmer, more waterproof version of the 'splashcag', 3 - paddle, 4 - decent
spraydeck, 5 -
buoyancy aid, 6 - helmet, 7 - your own boat.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:07 pm
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In article <dfs8vd$j9a$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Muzz
<URL:mailto:spamfrog@swanlake.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Keith Meredith wrote:
> > Hi
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> > What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
> >
> > Keith
>
> My club lists it as follows, after buying a long john wet suit :
Some youngsters (1* standard) turned up at my Club with wetsuits - I refused
to let them on the water until they had changed into T-shirts and shorts.
I have never paddled in conditions in this country in the last 35 years where
a thermal / T-shirt / Lightweight cag combo was not adequate (add a woolly
hat, maybe and pogies for the woossies). Even in a -25 degree chill factor.
No wetsuits. No wet suit boots, no dry cags or neoprene collars and cuffs.
Proper canoeing, mind, not sub-aqua or caving.
Allan Bennett
Not a fan of frogs
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 11:30 am
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Allan Bennett wrote:
> Some youngsters (1* standard) turned up at my Club with
> wetsuits - I refused to let them on the water until they
> had changed into T-shirts and shorts.
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> I have never paddled in conditions in this country in the
> last 35 years where a thermal / T-shirt / Lightweight cag
> combo was not adequate (add a woolly hat, maybe and
> pogies for the woossies). Even in a -25 degree chill
> factor. No wetsuits. No wet suit boots, no dry cags or
> neoprene collars and cuffs.
I'll pass this to the president of Inverness Canoe Club
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:04 pm
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But why make yourself cold and wet when you can be warm and dry? Seems
bloody stupid to me! I love my dry cag, wouldn't want to learn to roll
without it. I also get cold after 30mins on the sea even with dry cag and
fleece, so I dunno where you're paddling!
Charlotte.
"Allan Bennett" <lazyfaker.TakeThisOut@auntyUCE.com> wrote in message
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> In article <dfs8vd$j9a$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, Muzz
> <URL:mailto:spamfrog@swanlake.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Keith Meredith wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > What kit would you advise a new paddler to spend money on?
> > >
> > > Keith
> >
> > My club lists it as follows, after buying a long john wet suit :
>
> Some youngsters (1* standard) turned up at my Club with wetsuits - I
refused
> to let them on the water until they had changed into T-shirts and shorts.
>
> I have never paddled in conditions in this country in the last 35 years
where
> a thermal / T-shirt / Lightweight cag combo was not adequate (add a woolly
> hat, maybe and pogies for the woossies). Even in a -25 degree chill
factor.
> No wetsuits. No wet suit boots, no dry cags or neoprene collars and
cuffs.
>
> Proper canoeing, mind, not sub-aqua or caving.
>
>
> Allan Bennett
> Not a fan of frogs
>
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:47 am
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Last month I plucked three people out of the water. Now I am in the
North Atlantic with the Labrador Current keeping the water below 10 C
all year around.
Two of the folks that went over were in a double and had no idea what
they were up to. They were wearing jeans and T shirts. They were less
than comfortable with the man in a pure panic from the shock of cold
water. The lady was pretty calm.
The other rescue was a beginner but he had read that the water was
cold. He wore a wet suit ( 2 MM) and for him it was little more than an
embaracement and was uncomfortable. He was back in the boat quickly
because of his ability to listen, an idea how to do this in the first
place and the dread of cold water and shock of imersion was mitigated
by a wet suit.
In 1999 the finest paddler I have ever met, stated. " I don't swim " he
was leading a large tour of mostly beginners in May. We were in a
remote area ( compatitively ) and a nasty wind rolled in. Of the 35 or
so people about half ended up in the water.
At one point Jimbo was helping stabalize a speed boat by hanging on tt
the gunnels on one side as a casualty was hauled aboard. A wave picked
the speed boat up and planted it on top of Jimbo turning his boat
upside down ( luckily ): Jimbo swam.
He was in neoprene shorts. Jimbo went from leader, guide, rescuer
streight to casualty sucking up rescue energies.
Had he a wet suit or ( like me ) a dry suit he would have been back in
the fight imediately.
If the water is at all cold , wear neoprene.
My experiences are in water that is normally cold. The ponds and lakes
here rarely excede 17 C . If the water is over 20 C ignore this..
Thanks
Alex
The Names of the casualties have been omited or changed. In Jimbos case
only slightly.
As he remains the finest paddler I have ever met I can say that knowing
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:27 am
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Charlie wrote:
> But why make yourself cold and wet when you can be warm and dry? Seems
> bloody stupid to me!
Being dry requires not only that outside water stays out, but that
inside water (i.e., sweat) doesn't stay in. And whatever you're told
about breathable waterproof fabrics by marketing, /none/ of them will
let out sweat at anything like the rate a paddler doing even a moderate
amount of work will generate.
Consequently I avoid wearing a cag unless there'll be sufficient
rain/spray to get me wet faster than my shirt will normally dry.
Otherwise I'll be /too/ warm, and not very dry.
That's for typical sea paddling, in the surf or the (white) river I'll
always wear the cag as otherwise I'll get wet and cold. For Allan's
flavour of paddling (flatwater and fast AFAICT) I'd agree that something
like a Helly Lifa top is just about ideal, and I'd certainly want a lot
more in white water. "Paddling" can mean either, or quite a few other
things too. Would polo players bother with dry suits? Doubt it...
> I love my dry cag, wouldn't want to learn to roll
> without it. I also get cold after 30mins on the sea even with dry cag and
> fleece, so I dunno where you're paddling!
Dry cag /and/ fleece? Bloody 'ell Charlie, you must be /very/ prone to
the cold or not doing any work!
Pete.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:39 am
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mcgrueralarms.RemoveThis@nf.aibn.com wrote:
> For chucking real money I would spend all the extra or available cash (
> after food and rent ) on a BA and a paddle. If you love the sport a
> high quality BA and Paddle willl make a huge difference.
But what paddle? My sea paddle would set you back about £200 if you
went and bought one yourself. I like it a lot for sea touring, but it's
too long for whitewater use and the blades aren't up to the abuse of
bouncing off rocks. A polo player would probably have little use for
variable feather, and so on. A good paddle is indeed worth spending on,
but only when you know what "good" is /for your own situation/.
And it's also the case that a good paddle isn't /necessarily/ a lot of
money. A friend paddles his home made baidarka with a home made
traditional wooden paddle, basically a long stick with flattened ends.
Cost nothing but time, works very well, and it's easier to roll with
than my carbon fibre confection.
Pete.
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