Double-pole gybes

In article <nejcj01b1ti967kgc9cot1cnvfv0jttj16.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
rodneym.DeleteThis@attglobal.net says...
 > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:46:42 -0700, "Jeff Young" <jy2.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
 >
  > >I followed this year's Pacific Cup Division C with interest as my partner
  > >and I are thinking of double-handing a TransPac or PacCup to Hawaii. I
  > >happened to be in Kaneoe Bay when several of the boats came in, and I heard
  > >at least two mention using a double-pole system to gybe their symmetrical
  > >spinnakers. Both lauded the system for its ease and safety.
  > >Does anyone know of source material on this procedure (i.e., description of
  > >technique, hardware requirements, etc)?
  > >Jeff Young, J35 Jacare'
  > >
 >
 > Paul Kamen did this in a Pac Cup many years ago when he singlehanded
 > 'Twilight Zone,' his Merit 25. It isn't complicated, althoughit gets
 > into a grey area of the rules.

Nup, RRS50.2 Spinnaker Poles, Whisker Poles states:

Only one spinnaker pole or whisker pole shall be used at a time _except
when gybing_.
 >
 > If you put a second pole up just before gybe on the sheet side, the
 > sail is stable while you get them main across. Then move the spinnaker
 > and remove the nwo loeward pole.

Helps if you put the pole originally on the higher of the two (yes you
need two) mast rings, and you'll need duplicated sheets and braces.
 >
 > The grey area is the rule that says you can't sail with two poles. So
 > the issue is do you do the whole thing fast enough that the two pose
 > are only connected at the moment of gybe.

Nup, see above.

 > Since this is only a race-rule issue, I see no reason cruisers can't
 > do it and leave both poles attached as long as they want. I would have
 > bought a second pole years ago but for the money.

We always thought the second pole was a good spare, although gawd knows
they were both like tree trunks.

John<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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John,

May you always think of the second as an unneccessary spare pole.

Many a year ago I was crew of a 50+ ketch. The J was big enough to
carry a Lightning on the foredeck. The pole was laminated sitka spruce
and it was only lifted by the winch on the mast. During a night watch
things got out of shape fast, I heard the first crack and looked up to
see the pole buckle and fail. Someone aft let the guy run and the
flying part of the pole hit the headstay hard enough to cause it to
break again. The sail on deck had trapped the loose part and was not
damaged. This was actually good because it made a much smaller piece
orbiting over the foredeck. Nobody was injured and the pole was damage.

When my grandchildren are old enough to hear this story, I hope it will
have enough time so I don't remember how terrifing it actully was.

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Congenital Sailor
John Allan wrote:
 > In article <nejcj01b1ti967kgc9cot1cnvfv0jttj16 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
 > rodneym DeleteThis @attglobal.net says...
 >
  >>On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:46:42 -0700, "Jeff Young" <jy2 DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>I followed this year's Pacific Cup Division C with interest as my partner
   >>>and I are thinking of double-handing a TransPac or PacCup to Hawaii. I
   >>>happened to be in Kaneoe Bay when several of the boats came in, and I heard
   >>>at least two mention using a double-pole system to gybe their symmetrical
   >>>spinnakers. Both lauded the system for its ease and safety.
   >>>Does anyone know of source material on this procedure (i.e., description of
   >>>technique, hardware requirements, etc)?
   >>>Jeff Young, J35 Jacare'
   >>>
  >>
  >>Paul Kamen did this in a Pac Cup many years ago when he singlehanded
  >>'Twilight Zone,' his Merit 25. It isn't complicated, althoughit gets
  >>into a grey area of the rules.
 >
 >
 > Nup, RRS50.2 Spinnaker Poles, Whisker Poles states:
 >
 > Only one spinnaker pole or whisker pole shall be used at a time _except
 > when gybing_.
 >
  >>If you put a second pole up just before gybe on the sheet side, the
  >>sail is stable while you get them main across. Then move the spinnaker
  >>and remove the nwo loeward pole.
 >
 >
 > Helps if you put the pole originally on the higher of the two (yes you
 > need two) mast rings, and you'll need duplicated sheets and braces.
 >
  >>The grey area is the rule that says you can't sail with two poles. So
  >>the issue is do you do the whole thing fast enough that the two pose
  >>are only connected at the moment of gybe.
 >
 >
 > Nup, see above.
 >
 >
  >>Since this is only a race-rule issue, I see no reason cruisers can't
  >>do it and leave both poles attached as long as they want. I would have
  >>bought a second pole years ago but for the money.
 >
 >
 > We always thought the second pole was a good spare, although gawd knows
 > they were both like tree trunks.
 >
 > John<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Double-pole gybes 

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 19:44:15 +1000, John Allan
<allanj.DeleteThis@s054.aone.net.au> wrote:

 >In article <nejcj01b1ti967kgc9cot1cnvfv0jttj16.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
 >rodneym@attglobal.net says...
  >> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:46:42 -0700, "Jeff Young" <jy2.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
  >>
   >> >I followed this year's Pacific Cup Division C with interest as my partner
   >> >and I are thinking of double-handing a TransPac or PacCup to Hawaii. I
   >> >happened to be in Kaneoe Bay when several of the boats came in, and I heard
   >> >at least two mention using a double-pole system to gybe their symmetrical
   >> >spinnakers. Both lauded the system for its ease and safety.
   >> >Does anyone know of source material on this procedure (i.e., description of
   >> >technique, hardware requirements, etc)?
   >> >Jeff Young, J35 Jacare'
   >> >
  >>
  >> Paul Kamen did this in a Pac Cup many years ago when he singlehanded
  >> 'Twilight Zone,' his Merit 25. It isn't complicated, althoughit gets
  >> into a grey area of the rules.
 >
 >Nup, RRS50.2 Spinnaker Poles, Whisker Poles states:
 >
 >Only one spinnaker pole or whisker pole shall be used at a time _except
 >when gybing_.
  >>
Thanks. I think that clarification post-dates the early use, which was
for gybing, as I stated.



Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a

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