Kayaking Basics - I'm Sore

Per cramersec.RemoveThis@gmail.com:
> Two days later she
>showed up for the lake day and said "Before, I never knew I had torso
>muscles. Now, I know where every single one of them is."

Reminds me of when we took this new guy surfing for the first time.

Next day we had to almost physically restrain him from going to the base
hospital because he was sure that his ribs were broken.
--
PeteCresswell
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Moby Dick wrote:
> Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
>
> BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do yesterday,
> I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.

Sounds to me like you need top go kayaking every day from now on then!
That way you do today what you did yesterday, and you won't feel sore
any more!

(P.S. I started kayaking at age 25, and I was also sore the next day...)


--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
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"Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
>
> BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do yesterday,
> I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.


Your first class? What will they cover in the 2nd class?
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On Feb 21, 10:19 pm, "Davej" <galt....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> > Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> > various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> > roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> > waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
>
> > BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do yesterday,
> > I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.
>
> Your first class? What will they cover in the 2nd class?


Second class is devoted to rolling and rolling practice.
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"Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> "Davej" <galt... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> > > Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> > > various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> > > roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> > > waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
>
> > > BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do yesterday,
> > > I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.
>
> > Your first class? What will they cover in the 2nd class?
>
> Second class is devoted to rolling and rolling practice.

How many classes do you get? I've been thinking that rolling might be
taught fairly quickly, but I was watching a young guy last night who
had a huge belly on him and as a result his CG was so high that he was
struggling quite a bit. I think typical students might need three or
four hours, but a special case like that guy... I don't know.
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On Feb 22, 11:12 pm, "Davej" <galt....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Davej" <galt....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> > > > Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> > > > various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> > > > roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> > > > waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
>
> > > > BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do yesterday,
> > > > I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.
>
> > > Your first class? What will they cover in the 2nd class?
>
> > Second class is devoted to rolling and rolling practice.
>
> How many classes do you get? I've been thinking that rolling might be
> taught fairly quickly, but I was watching a young guy last night who
> had a huge belly on him and as a result his CG was so high that he was
> struggling quite a bit. I think typical students might need three or
> four hours, but a special case like that guy... I don't know.

Hmm, I bet it had a lot more to do with being unable to snap at the
hip than an elevated CG. If you think about it, it seems that belly
fat is pretty much centered pretty close to your CG already.

--riverman
(CG impaired)
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Per Wilko:
>Rolling is not so much about having a high center of gravity that needs
>to be pulled out of the water by applying brute force on a paddle, but
>more about using your hips and having the right technique.

In my brief rolling career, it seemed like there was also a component of
flexibility and cockpit design - at least for the rolls where the paddler lays
backwards.

Flexibility in that the paddler needs a certain amount of flexibility to lean
back like that.

Cockpit design in having the coaming low enough to allow one lay back flat on
the deck.
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PeteCresswell
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Some people can learn to roll in 15 minutes......others months.....I find
females to be the best students, guys think they can power their way through
the movement{s}, women pick up very quickly that it's about technique.


"Davej" <galt_57.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Davej" <galt....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > "Moby Dick" <Dick.Roches....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Took my first kayaking class last night in a pool. We used little
> > > > Dagger White Water kayaks, not sea kayaks. Learned wet escapes,
> > > > various paddle strokes, terminology, some safety things, and how to
> > > > roll. I can imagine things would be more difficult in the sea with
> > > > waves, wind, cold, and no bottom to touch.......
> >
> > > > BTW, I am sore. At 52, if I do something today I didn't do
yesterday,
> > > > I'll be sore tomorrow. If you're not there yet, you will be.
> >
> > > Your first class? What will they cover in the 2nd class?
> >
> > Second class is devoted to rolling and rolling practice.
>
> How many classes do you get? I've been thinking that rolling might be
> taught fairly quickly, but I was watching a young guy last night who
> had a huge belly on him and as a result his CG was so high that he was
> struggling quite a bit. I think typical students might need three or
> four hours, but a special case like that guy... I don't know.
>
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Davej wrote:
>
> How many classes do you get? I've been thinking that rolling might be
> taught fairly quickly, but I was watching a young guy last night who
> had a huge belly on him and as a result his CG was so high that he was
> struggling quite a bit. I think typical students might need three or
> four hours, but a special case like that guy... I don't know.

At 6'8" and 220lbs I'm probably a lot taller than this fat guy, so I
think that the chance of me having a higher centre of gravity than him
is pretty decent. Still, I can handroll (even with one hand) my boat.
Rolling is not so much about having a high center of gravity that needs
to be pulled out of the water by applying brute force on a paddle, but
more about using your hips and having the right technique.

--
Wilko van den Bergh wilko<a t)dse(d o t>nl
Eindhoven The Netherlands Europe
---Look at the possibilities, don't worry about the limitations.---
http://kayaker.nl/
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