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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 11:55 pm
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 12:24 am
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In message <jsb520poh39im7g6kjf9j3cedq4snak8v5 RemoveThis @4ax.com>, martin
<me RemoveThis @privacy.net> writes
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
><norfolk-n-hope RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
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>>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
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>A speed limit of 10 km/hour would solve the problem.
Quite so. Subject as we are on canals to 6kph, that's quite fast enough.
Reactions are severely affected at speeds in excess of 7kph, especially
after the third G&T.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:04 am
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
<norfolk-n-hope.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
>
>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
A speed limit of 10 km/hour would solve the problem.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 1:18 am
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:24:54 +0000, David Long <David.DeleteThis@scars.org.uk>
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>In message <jsb520poh39im7g6kjf9j3cedq4snak8v5.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, martin
><me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> writes
>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
>><norfolk-n-hope.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>>>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>>>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>>>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
>>>
>>>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
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>>A speed limit of 10 km/hour would solve the problem.
>
>Quite so. Subject as we are on canals to 6kph, that's quite fast enough.
>Reactions are severely affected at speeds in excess of 7kph, especially
>after the third G&T.
I couldn't agree more.
What's the point of travelling faster on a small lake?
The report is a load of consultant speak rubbish.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:08 am
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I would hardly call Windermere a small lake
It will be interesting how they intend to stop yachts/dinghy's and
sail-boards exceeding 10mph.
The wash created is all down to hull design, I would agree that on a canal
10mph is excessive but on a lake the size of Windermere I think not.
We each have our opinions but we should all be able to enjoy our chosen
water sport with each other.
Dave
"martin" <me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 21:24:54 +0000, David Long <David.RemoveThis@scars.org.uk>
> wrote:
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> >In message <jsb520poh39im7g6kjf9j3cedq4snak8v5.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, martin
> ><me.RemoveThis@privacy.net> writes
> >>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
> >><norfolk-n-hope.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
> >>>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
> >>>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
> >>>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
> >>
> >>A speed limit of 10 km/hour would solve the problem.
> >
> >Quite so. Subject as we are on canals to 6kph, that's quite fast enough.
> >Reactions are severely affected at speeds in excess of 7kph, especially
> >after the third G&T.
>
> I couldn't agree more.
> What's the point of travelling faster on a small lake?
>
> The report is a load of consultant speak rubbish.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 6:38 am
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In article <bvusuj$10odng$1@ID-223329.news.uni-berlin.de>, Dave
<URL:mailto:dave.samuel@.MISSING-HOST-NAME.> wrote:
> I would hardly call Windermere a small lake
It's easy to see the far side. It it wasn't bent you could see one end from
t'other.
> It will be interesting how they intend to stop yachts/dinghy's and
> sail-boards exceeding 10mph.
The same way they deal with powered vessels?
> The wash created is all down to hull design, I would agree that on a canal
> 10mph is excessive but on a lake the size of Windermere I think not.
10 mph is a bit on an inbetween speed, a little too high so that many
smaller vessels are tempted to go too fast and make too much noise. About
5kt (just under 6mph, a little over 9kph) is about right.
> We each have our opinions but we should all be able to enjoy our chosen
> water sport with each other.
Quite. And those enjoying the water without indulging in sport should be
allowed to do so as well.
Cheerio,
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 10:12 am
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
<norfolk-n-hope DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
>
>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
Well, it's comforting that the good guys can win at least some of the
times, even if it's only temporary.
Keep up the fight!
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2004 4:18 pm
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 07:12:34 -0500, Dave Hall <nojunk_n3cvj.RemoveThis@ptd.net>
wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
><norfolk-n-hope.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>>AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>>that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>>undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>>only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
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>>http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
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>
>Well, it's comforting that the good guys can win at least some of the
>times, even if it's only temporary.
>
>Keep up the fight!
The good guys already won, this is just a rear guard action.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:47 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 8:54 pm
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
<norfolk-n-hope.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
:)AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
:)that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
:)undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
:)only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
:)http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
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:)Windermere Action Force
:)http://www.waf.uk.com
What happened to noslow.org.uk ?
Letter to my MP ready for posting !
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:04 pm
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 17:54:18 GMT, mike.TakeThisOut@pmailkeey.freeserve.co.yuk
(pmailkeey) wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:55:36 +0000, Nick
><norfolk-n-hope.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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>:)AN INDEPENDENT Formal Safety Assessment of Lake Windermere has found
>:)that under today's conditions no incompatibility of lake users exists,
>:)undermining the key point cited at the Public Enquiry of 1994/5 as the
>:)only reason for introducing a 10mph speed limit on the lake.
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>:)http://www.waf.uk.com/home_bmt_report.html
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>:)Nick
>:)Windermere Action Force
>:)http://www.waf.uk.com
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>What happened to noslow.org.uk ?
>Letter to my MP ready for posting !
Put it in an envelope and stick a stamp on it.
When a local authority wanted to close the open air swimming pool last
year a petition signed by 7,500 people protesting was presented to the
mayor. Not bad for a town with a population of 20,000. The pool was
closed.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:50 am
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pmailkeey wrote:
> :)Nick
> :)Windermere Action Force
> :)http://www.waf.uk.com
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> What happened to noslow.org.uk ?
You got me worried then and I had to check - it is still there. There
was just no point in maintaining 2 sites (well 3 actually as I also
have <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.lake-district.info" target="_blank">http://www.lake-district.info</a>) so I just set up a redirect to the
waf site as the person that looks after that one is obviously more
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:52 am
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martin wrote:
> When a local authority wanted to close the open air swimming pool last
> year a petition signed by 7,500 people protesting was presented to the
> mayor. Not bad for a town with a population of 20,000. The pool was
> closed.
Oh you cynic! The Faxyourmp.com campaign has had some successes. It
overturned part of the RIP Bill (which as an IT security person is
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:39 pm
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:52:32 +0000, Nick
<norfolk-n-hope.RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>martin wrote:
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>> When a local authority wanted to close the open air swimming pool last
>> year a petition signed by 7,500 people protesting was presented to the
>> mayor. Not bad for a town with a population of 20,000. The pool was
>> closed.
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>Oh you cynic!
Me? What about the local authority?
>The Faxyourmp.com campaign has had some successes. It
>overturned part of the RIP Bill (which as an IT security person is
>just one I happen to know about). There are others....
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:16 am
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:04:46 +0100, martin <me.TakeThisOut@privacy.net> wrote:
:)When a local authority wanted to close the open air swimming pool last
:)year a petition signed by 7,500 people protesting was presented to the
:)mayor. Not bad for a town with a population of 20,000. The pool was
:)closed.
2,500 short of the magic number.
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