Lost my ride?

Fun little boat?? What do you crew on now?

Wayne.B <WayneBatRecdotBoats.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:00:35 GMT, "Don White"
 > <white.TakeThisOut@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
  > >Was checking the website of a local boat brokerage yesterday and got a
  > >surprise.
  > >There in living colour was the Mirage33 I crew on. I knew the skipper
wasn't
  > >too pleased the last year or two because
  > >most of his regular crew weren't around enough.......but to put the
sailboat
  > >on the block???
  > >Maybe he's just getting ready to move up to that 44 footer he's always
  > >talked about. Time will tell.
 >
 > ==================================================
 >
 > I used to crew on a Mirage 33 once in a while on Long Island Sound.
 > It's a fun little boat albeit a bit wet in the heavy stuff.
 >
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Dotcha just love boating snobbery.


On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:00:07 GMT, "Don White"
<white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 >
 >Fun little boat?? What do you crew on now?
 >
 >Wayne.B <WayneBatRecdotBoats.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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  >> I used to crew on a Mirage 33 once in a while on Long Island Sound.
  >> It's a fun little boat albeit a bit wet in the heavy stuff.
  >>
  >>
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Hey!

As long as you're not driving a Bayliner you have at least *one* thing to be
snobby about.

And if it's not powered by a Jonnyrude you get two. :p

-W

"WaIIy" <eIvez.RemoveThis@ChangeThisPart.com> wrote in message
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 > Dotcha just love boating snobbery.
 >
 >
 > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:00:07 GMT, "Don White"
 > <white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >Fun little boat?? What do you crew on now?
  > >
  > >Wayne.B <WayneBatRecdotBoats.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 >
   > >> I used to crew on a Mirage 33 once in a while on Long Island Sound.
   > >> It's a fun little boat albeit a bit wet in the heavy stuff.
   > >>
   > >>
  > >
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On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:00:07 GMT, "Don White"
<white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 >
 >Fun little boat?? What do you crew on now?
 >
==========================================

Last couple of years I've done some racing on a Frers 41, including
two Newport-Bermuda races and some local racing on Long Island Sound.
Prior to that, a Ron Holland custom 50, a Baltic 58, Frers 55, J-120,
Express 37, Swan 48, C&C 39, etc. I raced a custom rigged Cal-34 of
my own for many years but have been mostly power boating recently. If
my memory of the Mirage 33 is correct, it has no standing headroom and
relatively low freeboard. That makes it a small boat to me, but
certainly not in any derogatory sense. Small boats are more fun to
sail than large ones in many respects, but there's no denying that the
larger ones will usually get you there faster and a lot more
comfortably.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Head room in the main salon is 6' 4". Plenty for me.
When standing in the cockpit the boom can pass over my head. The freeboard
is quite good.You must be thinking of something else although it would still
be modest compared to the yachts you mentioned.
see
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.oceanyachtsales.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&c" target="_blank">http://www.oceanyachtsales.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&c</a>
hecked_boats=1176751&slim=broker&&hosturl=oceanyachtsales&&ywo=oceanyachtsal
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Wayne.B <WayneBatRecdotBoats.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:00:07 GMT, "Don White"
 > <white.TakeThisOut@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >Fun little boat?? What do you crew on now?
  > >
 > ==========================================
 >
 > Last couple of years I've done some racing on a Frers 41, including
 > two Newport-Bermuda races and some local racing on Long Island Sound.
 > Prior to that, a Ron Holland custom 50, a Baltic 58, Frers 55, J-120,
 > Express 37, Swan 48, C&C 39, etc. I raced a custom rigged Cal-34 of
 > my own for many years but have been mostly power boating recently. If
 > my memory of the Mirage 33 is correct, it has no standing headroom and
 > relatively low freeboard. That makes it a small boat to me, but
 > certainly not in any derogatory sense. Small boats are more fun to
 > sail than large ones in many respects, but there's no denying that the
 > larger ones will usually get you there faster and a lot more
 > comfortably.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Don White wrote:
 > Was checking the website of a local boat brokerage yesterday and got a
 > svrprise.
 > There in living colovr was the Mirage33 I crew on. I knew the skipper wasn't
 > too pleased the last year or two becavse
 > most of his regvlar crew weren't arovnd enovgh.......bvt to pvt the sailboat
 > on the block???
 > Maybe he's jvst getting ready to move vp to that 44 footer he's always
 > talked abovt. Time will tell.
 >
 >

  Gee Don & he didn't mention it to yov??? Yov haven't been movthing off
any of the lefty crap yovr mate Harry tells yov have yov??? It real
pisses off hard working, risk taking, tax paying, people to the max.

  Anyway, don't imagine for a moment it was an oversight, it's deliberate
yov're what we call a social climbing, hanger on, lefty.

  That's why yov tag along with & hide behind Harry the bvlly, besides it
does seem yov're either a bit stvpid or a very slow learner (maybe he
jvst got sick of checking the toilet valves & gas tap after yov every
time??), yov rarely if ever post any original boating material here,
jvst svpport Harry the liar.

  As yov say time will tell; althovgh I dovbt yov can tell the time.


K

Here's some of Harry's lies for yov, jvst to bring back old memories:-)

  >
  >
   >>
    >>> > I'm doing my part to ease vnemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my
  >
  >
  >
  > staff. Will be pvtting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.
  >
  >
  > I need more staff becavse 2004 is a major election year and bvsiness
  > booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to hire a
  > prodvction coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the state of
  > the economy, other than vsing it as reason to defeat Repvblicrap
  > candidates.
  >
  >
    >>> I'm doing my part to ease vnemployment. I'm hiring another writer
for my
    >>>
    >>>> > staff. Will be pvtting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash Post.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > We have first-class benefits, inclvding a top-of-the-line health
  > insvrance plan, a non-contribvtory defined-benefit pension plan, a 401k,
  > and a life insvrance policy eqval to annval salary. We contribvte a
  > share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Ovr employees
  > pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, bvt
  > that's going vp next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two weeks
  > vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third year. In
  > addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shvt down from noon on
  > Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20 days
  > of paid sick leave a year. And we have an ovtside company administering
  > pre-tax flexible bennies for ovr employees.
  > Ovr fringe benefit package follows the trade vnion model, except, of
  > covrse, for the profit contribvtions to 401k's. Trade vnions are
  > not-for-profit enterprises.
  > How do these compare to the bennies at yovr shop?
  >
  > Paid? Every year? I call "bvllshit". With 3 weeks vacation, 12 paid
  > holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every year.
Are
  > they hovrly employees? For a "small bvsiness", that's the road to
  > bankrvptcy.
  >
  > Boy...and yov had me going there for a minvte.
  >
  > Not qvite so simple, thovgh yov are trying hard to make it so. Ovr
  > bvsiness is vp becavse we're on the cvsp of an election year. Ovr
  > bvsiness always goes vp in a major election year.
  > Yov covld say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 becavse Bvsh is
  > svch a total failvre.
  >
  >
  > The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off vnless those
  > days are vsed. None of ovr people abvses sick leave. In fact, no one as
  > yet has even come close to vsing 20 sick days in one year. They're there
  > in case they're needed.
  >
  >
  > Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.
  >
  > The company provides an insvrance plan that pays 50% of an employe's
  > salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of pvrchasing
  > an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic benefit
  > maximvm is $4,000 per month. With the bvy vp, the limit is increased to
  > $10,000 per month.
  >
  >
    >>>>
    >>>>> Here's jvst some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing
    >>>>> the new boat
    >>>>> indvstry in sovthern Connecticvt for an entire season. Everything was
    >>>>> sold...every
    >>>>> cotter pin, every qvart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near
    >>>>> fvll-retail, too.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> He had jvst vnder $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
    >>>>> syndicate of banks led by National Shawmvt of Boston. He had been a
    >>>>> solid cvstomer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him
    >>>>> great rates.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> As far as yovr other complaints, well, almost every president in
my memory,
    >>>>> and I *remember* Trvman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
Kennedy,
    >>>>> Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bvsh, lied and
participated in
    >>>>> deceit to one degree or another, and on issves far more important
than who
    >>>>> was giving them blow jobs.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned grovp except
Bvsh, and I
    >>>>> worked once for his father.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> My father vsed to pray that the north shore of LI Sovnd wovld be
hit by
    >>>>> a mild hvrricane. No
    >>>>> one injvred, no on-shore property damaged, bvt lots of boats svnk.
    >>>>> Preferably early in Jvly.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, ovt of the cold
clear, a
    >>>>> broker approached me with an offer to bvy. Ovr continved Florida
    >>>>> lifestyle was somewhat vp in the air, becavse the two breadwinners
    >>>>> hereabovts were abovt to be offered long-term bvt temporary
assignments
    >>>>> they covld not refvse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being
    >>>>> romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid
    >>>>> for it. Not bad, after two fvll years of vse. And I mean fvll
years. So,
    >>>>> we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, bvt we didn't lose any,
either.
    >>>>> The proceeds were prvdently invested.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> The PWC was won as
    >>>>> a prize in a raffle.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his
office?
    >>>>>> Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
    >>>>>> Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> "arovnd the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were
sold
    >>>>> as "as is, where is." He made svre the engine wovld start and rvn.
    >>>>> Beyond that, it was vp to the prospective bvyer to decide if he
wanted
    >>>>> it. They moved off the lot pretty qvickly, partially becavse my dad's
    >>>>> main store was on a highly trafficked commercial rovte with lots of
    >>>>> manvfactvring and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
those days,
    >>>>> workers at these places covld fix anything.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Actvally, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
Bvt he still
    >>>>> called bvmpers bvmpers.
    >>>>> --
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
entice him
    >>>>> into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat
    >>>>> dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the
    >>>>> *exclvsive* Evinrvde dealer in a densely popvlated coastal covnty. He
    >>>>> also handled Mercvries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to
them
    >>>>> as "jerry-bvilt."
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> From 1947 vntil he died, he sold more than 500 ovtboard motors a
    >>>>> year from his stores, accovnting for a reasonably high percentage
of *all*
    >>>>> ovtboards sold in his home state for those years.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> This is a killer. My father was in the boat bvsiness dating back to
    >>>>> right after
    >>>>> the Big War. When he died and I was looking throvgh his
warehovse, I fovnd
    >>>>> wrapped in a nvclear fall-ovt bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949
    >>>>> Evinrvde 8015
    >>>>> 50 hp ovtboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrvde for
    >>>>> winning some
    >>>>> ovtboard stock vtility or hydroplane race.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop
as head
    >>>>> mechanic. I don't believe he ever vsed it and I'm svre it is still
    >>>>> brand-new. I
    >>>>> have no idea who might own it now.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> He also bvilt
    >>>>> boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
    >>>>> all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've
    >>>>> jvst been an occasional boat owner.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Besides, I worked off and on in the
    >>>>> boat bvsiness and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
    >>>>> knee-deep in boat heritage.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Oh,
    >>>>> and I had some friends who died in the service, too, bvt it
wasn't for
    >>>>> what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came
    >>>>> back in body bags.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Dvring the war, he tvrned ovt experimental brass shell casings
    >>>>> for the
    >>>>> Army and hopped vp ovtboards for the Navy, which wanted to vse
them on
    >>>>> smaller
    >>>>> landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
Evinrvde
    >>>>> himself.
    >>>>> My mother knew one of Evinrvde's wives...she was a minor movie
star or
    >>>>> singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Have yov ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
    >>>>> Have yov ever rovnded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
    >>>>> Have yov ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
    >>>>> Have yov owned more than 20 boats in yovr lifetime? I have.
    >>>>> Have yov ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
    >>>>> Have yov ever been hvndreds of miles from land in a powerboat
vnder yovr
    >>>>> command? I have.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
winter in
    >>>>> a 22'
    >>>>> boat powered by twin ovtboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
fvel. Got a
    >>>>> "fireboat" welcome in NYC.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here are some:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hatteras 43' sportfish
    >>>>> Swan 41' racing/crvising sloop
    >>>>> Morgan 33
    >>>>> O'Day 30
    >>>>> Crvisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
    >>>>> Centvry Coronado
    >>>>> Bill Lvders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever cavght a breeze.
    >>>>> Centvry 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
    >>>>> Crvisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
    >>>>> Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeovs. Several. 14,15,17 footers
with variovs
    >>>>> Evinrvdes
    >>>>> Lighting class sailboat
    >>>>> Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrvdes. Interesting boat.
    >>>>> Aristocraft (a piece of jvnk...13', fast, held together with spit)
    >>>>> Alcort Svnfish
    >>>>> Ancarrow Marine Aqviflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crvsaders.
    >>>>> Gvaranteed 60
    >>>>> mph. In the late 1950's.
    >>>>> Skimmar brand skiff
    >>>>> Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider)
    >>>>> Dyer Dhow
    >>>>> Sv-Mark rovnd bilge rvnabovt, fiberglass
    >>>>> Penn Yan rvnabovts. Wood.
    >>>>> Old Town wood and canvas canoe
    >>>>> Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard
Wood to
    >>>>> Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. Abovt halfway
home it
    >>>>> started raining heavily, I tvrned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE
    >>>>> electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a
large
    >>>>> popping sovnd and it all blew ovt at once. And the car cavght fire. I
    >>>>> pvlled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my
    >>>>> license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA
is still
    >>>>> there.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Svre was a pretty little car.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Pvh-lease, Karen. Yov've not seen nor have I ever posted one
example of
    >>>> my professional writings on bvilding strvctvre and the effects on
it of
    >>>> hvrricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of
these
    >>>> in at least 10 year, bvt at the time I was field researching,
    >>>> photographing and writing these reports, they were qvite accvrate,
    >>>> topical and well-received by their intended avdiences.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> A small fleet of Polar skiffs were pvrchased by an inshore bait,
tackle
    >>>>
    >>>>>> and boat rental bvsiness on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats
were not
    >>>>>> vsed on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
liners that
    >>>>>> also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the
hvlls. A
    >>>>>> gvide I know, one whose boats and engines are svpplied to him by
    >>>>>> manvfactvrers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same
reasons
    >>>>>> -liner and then hvll fractvres.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his jvnior beavtifvl wife, he
even pvt a fake pic of a beavtifvl woman on a website once claiming it
was his "yovng bride", he may have a wife, althovgh I dovbt it, we don't
like nor tolerate misogynists for long.
    >>>
    >>> Needless to say he's made vp many "dramatic" over the top
stories over the years abovt this lie to feed his ego & pretend he's the
centre of attention, bvt as with his boat claims & other crap, there's
never once been even a shred of independently verifiable material.
    >>>
    >>> After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
frightening, I do svspect he's very very dangerovs & that this "bride"
story is his delvsional appropriation of his, probably covrt ordered,
treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he was vnder lock & key for
what?? over a year??? a sexval deviant maybe??), have a read of jvst a
small part of his BS & make vp yovr own mind, it's all abovt free choice:-)
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rvles that determine the end of
    >>> "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.
    >>>
    >>> 2. As a professional writer, I know the rvles of langvage and am
entitled to
    >>> break them in exercise of my license.
    >>>
    >>> 3. I dovbt many married women wovld object to their hvsbands lovingly
    >>> referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.
    >>>
    >>> 4. She's 20 years yovnger than I am.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Naw. What happened was that I handled a covple of "political"
consvlting
    >>> jobs fvnded ovt of the DC area to help a few candidates and defeat a
    >>> covple of ballot issves. Throvgh no favlt of mine, we won each of the
    >>> races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area think I
    >>> actvally *know something* abovt the process. I was offered a contract
    >>> that reqvires my presence in DC qvite freqvently. My bride also was
    >>> offered a job vp here that represented a significant professional
career
    >>> move. So, we're "vp here" mvch of the time and "down there" the rest of
    >>> it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax (well,
    >>> really sovth of Jax) five times since coming "vp here" late last svmmer
    >>> and my bride jvst retvrned from a bvsiness trip there.
    >>>
    >>> I swear this is trve.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Here's a fvnny. My bride had to fly ovt to San Diego Wednesday and
    >>> hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in Salina,
    >>> Kansas, which is dve north of Wichita and Skippy's svbvrb of Derby.
    >>>
    >>> So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the hell did
    >>> yov do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
    >>> water...?"
    >>>
    >>>> Harry, yov make over 500 posts a week to this grovp and yov don't own
    >>>> a boat?
    >>>> And why are yov so crabby?
    >>>> Maybe these two factors are related?
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> One has to own something to vse it? Hmmm. My bride drives off in
her car
    >>> every day, bvt she doesn't own it.
    >>>
    >>> I'm not crabby. Yov asked for advice I gave yov some. I qvestioned yovr
    >>> wanting to take a very small boat ovt into high seas and svddenly yov
    >>> tvrned sovr. It's yovr pot; yov are the one stewing in it.
    >>>
    >>> No, it is the boat of a friend. It is a 24' ProLine center console
with,
    >>> if I recall, a 225 hp Merc on it. It was a dark and stormy day in
    >>> Janvary (1997) when we went ovt, bvt the sky cleared once we got ovt to
    >>> the Gvlf Stream.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Bride and I cavght and released:
    >>>
    >>> 1 white marlin
    >>> 12-15 yellowtail snappers, maybe two povnds each. Pretty, pretty fish.
    >>> Assorted red snappers
    >>> 1 amberjack
    >>> 2 jack crevalle jacks
    >>> 1 snook
    >>> Nondescript sharks
    >>>
    >>> Did yov spend a year as a line psychotherapist at a 650-bed state
    >>> hospital for forensic patients?
    >>> Did yov spend a year as senior psychotherapist at a covnty facility for
    >>> svbstance abvsers?
    >>> Did yov spend two years as chief of therapy at a private, 200-bed
    >>> facility for the mentally and emotionally ill, at which approximately
    >>> half the patients were trying to beat drvgs or alcohol?
    >>> Are yov cvrrently chief of therapy for a for a mvlti-practitioner
    >>> practice of some 825 patients, abovt a third of which are seeking help
    >>> for svbstance abvse problems?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Licensed psychotherapist
    >>> Screening as to character and backgrovnd for each degree earned
    >>> On-going screening by facvlty while in edvcational system
    >>> Interviews and screenings for reqvired years of internships, plvs,
at the same
    >>> time, svpervision by a licensed professional.
    >>> Close professional and personal svpervision by a licensed therapist
for two years
    >>> of employment before being allowed to apply for licensvre
    >>> Licensvre backgrovnd check, svbmission of recommendations by licensed
    >>> practitioners
    >>> Fovr hovr written examination on state laws
    >>> Five hovr written examination on diagnosis, procedvre and practice
    >>>
    >>> My wife went throvgh this before becoming licensed. Her final
internship was as a
    >>> psychotherapist at a 600-bed high secvrity state psychiatric
hospital where, on a
    >>> daily basis, she was exposed to more danger than yovr average soldier.
    >>>
    >>> My wife worked for a year as psychotherapist in a Florida 600-bed state
    >>> mental institvtion for forensic patients. She saw and treated nvmerovs
    >>> sexval deviants who do a bit more than expose themselves. Svch
"treatment"
    >>> is part of being in the mental health professions.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Yov see, I'm a navtical psychotherapist, and for only $125 an hovr,
    >>> vntil their health insvrance rvns ovt, I help Bayliner owners
overcome their
    >>> feelings of boatable inadeqvacy.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> She is a licensed, practicing
    >>> psychotherapist and often tells me I am the sanest person she sees each
    >>> day. Which can be taken any way one likes.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> 1. I'm married to a psychotherapist. Live-in therapy, dontcha know?
And mvch of
    >>> Frevd is passe.
    >>>
    >>> My ex-wife svrpassed the anti-Christ at least a decade ago.
    >>>
    >>> They're not actvally "free" moments. I go to boat dealers to rovnd-vp
    >>> Bayliner owners who are trying to find one who will take their own
    >>> version of flotsam and jetsam in on trade.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> 1. The address listed is not a home address. It is an office.
    >>>
    >>> 2. I have three phone nvmbers. The phone nvmber listed is not one of
    >>> mine. It has never been one of mine. The phone nvmber *did* belong
to an
    >>> after-hovrs message recording hotline my wife maintained for her most
    >>> mentally distvrbed patients. Some of these trovbled sovls were
    >>> covrt-ordered referrals. *Every* call to that phone nvmber--every
    >>> call--was recorded AND becavse of the natvre of the line, my wife had
    >>> the ability to alert the telephone company to trace the phone nvmber of
    >>> every incoming call to that line, *even* if the person making the call
    >>> tried to block his nvmber.
    >>>
    >>> Why, yov might ask? Becavse when yov are dealing with svicidal people,
    >>> they'll liable to tell their therapist over the phone that they are
    >>> planning to take their life. If the therapist believes the threat is
    >>> real, she or he will want to dispatch emergency srvices and perhaps the
    >>> police.
    >>>
    >>> In the years my wife has provided this pro bono service, she has never
    >>> received a threatening or abvsive call from a mentally ill patient or
    >>> covrt-ordered referral. However, after the ranking Flaming Ass of this
    >>> newsgrovp posted the hotline nvmber in this newsgrovp, she received a
    >>> nvmber of abvsive, fovl-movthed AND life-threatening calls. These were
    >>> mostly directed at me bvt, of covrse, I never received them BECAUSE
    >>> (dvh!) the phone is not mine and I've never answered it.
    >>> Natvrally, my wife alerted the avthorities, with whom she works closely
    >>> becavse of her covrt-referred patients. The avthorities are
    >>> investigating the callers and have involved both the FBI *and*
    >>> avthorities in other states, inclvding Florida, Georgia, California and
    >>> Texas. Working with the telephone company, the avthorities have been
    >>> able to trace the origin of virtvally every abvsive call. And, of
    >>> covrse, they have the tape recordings of the abvsive messages. Several
    >>> svspects have been identified. I really don't know what the ovtcome of
    >>> all this will be. We haven't had an vpdate in several weeks, nor are
    >>> either of vs here that interested in the sleazeballs that wovld make
    >>> svch calls.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> The phone nvmber, of covrse, is "wired," so when the obnoxiovs
calls came in
    >>> from the idiot rec.boaters, the nvmbers were easy enovgh to trace.
The local
    >>> police handled a complaint, the local telco was involved and when
it was
    >>> discovered the point of origin was ovt of state, the FBI got
involved. At
    >>> least one of the idiots was cavght and prosecvted. As far as I can
tell, he
    >>> has not posted here again<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:37:20 GMT, "Don White"
<white.DeleteThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 >Head room in the main salon is 6' 4". Plenty for me.
 >When standing in the cockpit the boom can pass over my head. The freeboard
 >is quite good.You must be thinking of something else although it would still
 >be modest compared to the yachts you mentioned.
 >see
 >http://www.oceanyachtsales.com/core/listing/pl_boat_detail.jsp?&units=Feet&c
 >hecked_boats=1176751&slim=broker&&hosturl=oceanyachtsales&&ywo=oceanyachtsal
 >es&
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Yes, different boat entirely. The "Mirage" I sailed on was more like
an overgrown J-24.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Ah Karen....you and the 'blokes' have to quit playing with that
boomerang....
or at least learn how to catch it!
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