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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:59 pm
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From a California blog:
"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
alter them."
In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
and private utility organizations.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:59 pm
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> From a California blog:
>
> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
> the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
> thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
> setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
> override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
> alter them."
>
> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
> and private utility organizations.
>
> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
A variation of this?
In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold
secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize
its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone
else.
Corporate nanny-state-ism.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:59 pm
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HK wrote:
> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> From a California blog:
>>
>> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
>> the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
>> thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
>> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
>> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
>> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
>> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
>> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
>> setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
>> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
>> override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
>> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
>> alter them."
>>
>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
>> and private utility organizations.
>>
>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>>
>
> A variation of this?
>
> In other words, the Vice President of the United States is going to hold
> secret meetings with the oil industry to determine how best to maximize
> its profits over the next four to eight years at the expense of everyone
> else.
>
> Corporate nanny-state-ism.
>
> Corporations uber alles.
>
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:59 pm
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
> private utility organizations.
>
> All your thermostats are belong to us.
While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do? >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:59 pm
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsports.org> wrote in message
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> From a California blog:
>
> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
> the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
> thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
> setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
> override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
> alter them."
>
> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
> and private utility organizations.
>
> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
I wonder if the geniuses who came up with this idea have any data about how
homeowners already set their thermostats. I'd like to crank mine to 75 in
the winter, but I'd be a potato chip within a week, but then I'd need to add
humidity, and then I'd need a water softener, and it's all too friggin'
annoying. So, it's at 68-ish. >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 pm
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On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, thunder.DeleteThis@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>
>
>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>> private utility organizations.
>>
>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
>While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
>"rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
>reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
>reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
already have in place?
Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
necessary. The plant is falling apart.
I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
country and all are in the same condition. >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 pm
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, thunder RemoveThis @TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
>>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>>> private utility organizations.
>>>
>>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>> While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
>> "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
>> reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
>> reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
>
> Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
> already have in place?
>
> Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
> Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
> hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
> private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
> because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
> necessary. The plant is falling apart.
>
> I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
> country and all are in the same condition.
"Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
out assets. >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 pm
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"HK" <payer33859.DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, thunder.DeleteThis@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>>>> and
>>>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>>>> private utility organizations.
>>>>
>>>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>>> While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
>>> "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
>>> reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
>>> reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
>>
>> Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
>> already have in place?
>>
>> Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
>> Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
>> hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
>> private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
>> because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
>> necessary. The plant is falling apart.
>>
>> I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
>> country and all are in the same condition.
>
>
> "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
> out assets.
PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One
of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few
even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when
you needed to. >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:00 pm
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:47:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
<bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote:
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>"HK" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, thunder DeleteThis @TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>>>>> and
>>>>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>>>>> private utility organizations.
>>>>>
>>>>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>>>> While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
>>>> "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
>>>> reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
>>>> reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
>>>
>>> Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
>>> already have in place?
>>>
>>> Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
>>> Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
>>> hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
>>> private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
>>> because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
>>> necessary. The plant is falling apart.
>>>
>>> I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
>>> country and all are in the same condition.
>>
>>
>> "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
>> out assets.
>
>PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation. One
>of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few
>even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when
>you needed to.
That's not how it was presented to the Regional Siting Council which I
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.TakeThisOut@swsports.org> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:47:25 -0800, "Calif Bill"
> <bmckeespam.TakeThisOut@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"HK" <payer33859.TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>news:5uao6iF1h51hfU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 00:47:48 -0000, thunder.TakeThisOut@TAKEOUTgti.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>>>>>> private utility organizations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>>>>> While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all
>>>>> those
>>>>> "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
>>>>> reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
>>>>> reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe build a few more power plants? Or properly use the ones they
>>>> already have in place?
>>>>
>>>> Perfect example. $500 million 790 megawatt oil/gas plant down in
>>>> Killingly built by PG&E before they went under. That plant runs 16
>>>> hours a week to keep the turbines from deteroiating into junk. The
>>>> private equity group that bought it 5 years ago don't want to run it
>>>> because of operating costs (Union labor contract) and repairs only as
>>>> necessary. The plant is falling apart.
>>>>
>>>> I understand that PG&E built several plants like this around the
>>>> country and all are in the same condition.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Private equity groups" for the most part are only interested in milking
>>> out assets.
>>
>>PG&E was forced to sell the plants as part of the energy deregulation.
>>One
>>of those bills passed by the state legislature at the last minute with few
>>even reading the bill. They were built as peaking plants. Only run when
>>you needed to.
>
> That's not how it was presented to the Regional Siting Council which I
> sat on as one of two town representatives.
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsports.org> wrote in message
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> From a California blog:
>
> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
> the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
> thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
> setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
> override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
> alter them."
>
> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
> and private utility organizations.
>
> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.
Eisboch >> Stay informed about: Nannystateism... |
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"Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.RemoveThis@swsports.org> wrote in message
> news:ui50o397ta1kfovlq6qgejv6sivjvvi686@4ax.com...
>> From a California blog:
>>
>> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
>> the requirement for what is called a "programmable communicating
>> thermostat" or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes'
>> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
>> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
>> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a "non-removable " FM receiver
>> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
>> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
>> setpoint to any value they chose. During "price events" those changes
>> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
>> override the changes. During "emergency events" the new setpoints can
>> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
>> alter them."
>>
>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
>> and private utility organizations.
>>
>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>>
>
> I sure hope California hurries up and secedes from the union quickly.
>
> Eisboch
>
Better for both of us. We get to keep more money, get some foreign aid.
And you get rid of a blue coast state. We have a right from statehood days
for splitting the state in two parts. Would help us Northerners to keep
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<thunder.TakeThisOut@TAKEOUTgti.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 +0000, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
>
>
>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours and
>> will be overridden by the state of California through its public and
>> private utility organizations.
>>
>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
> While I don't like, this might be a result of Enron. Remember all those
> "rolling blackouts" of the early 2000s? Which would you rather have,
> reduced control of your thermostat, or a blackout? If voluntary
> reductions in power usage aren't working, what would you do?
Approve and build some damn nuclear power plants.
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
<email.RemoveThis@swsports.org> wrote:
>From a California blog:
>
>"What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
>the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
>thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
>central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
>fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
>revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
>that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
>conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
>setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
>are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
>override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
>be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
>alter them."
>
>In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
>and private utility organizations.
>
>All your thermostats are belong to us.
And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
has no choice but to carry her baby full term?
Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
her body or the temperature of her thermostat.
The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
would like to impose on all human females.
American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?
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jps wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:45:54 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
> <email RemoveThis @swsports.org> wrote:
>
>>From a California blog:
>> "What should be controversial in the proposed revisions to Title 24 is
>> the requirement for what is called a “programmable communicating
>> thermostat” or PCT. Every new home and every change to existing homes’
>> central heating and air conditioning systems will required to be
>> fitted with a PCT beginning next year following the issuance of the
>> revision. Each PCT will be fitted with a “non-removable ” FM receiver
>> that will allow the power authorities to increase your air
>> conditioning temperature setpoint or decrease your heater temperature
>> setpoint to any value they chose. During “price events” those changes
>> are limited to +/- four degrees F and you would be able to manually
>> override the changes. During “emergency events” the new setpoints can
>> be whatever the power authority desires and you would not be able to
>> alter them."
>>
>> In other words, the temperature of your home will no longer be yours
>> and will be overridden by the state of California through its public
>> and private utility organizations.
>>
>> All your thermostats are belong to us.
>
> And you find this more reprehensible than say, telling your wife she
> has no choice but to carry her baby full term?
Yes.
> Do you think your wife would rather have a say in what happens inside
> her body or the temperature of her thermostat.
She and I discussed and we agreed. We have two beautiful and intelligent
daughters.
> The thermostat idea is a proposal. The other is something your party
> would like to impose on all human females.
Do you remember when the low flow toilets became law? Do you know what
everyone crossing the border from Canada into the US had in the trunk of
their cars? The high flow toilets still being manufactured in Canada.
If the thermostat idiocy goes into law you will see a rise in on-line
purchases from out of state retailers of non-big-brothered thermostats.
> American Taliban pointing at controlling thermostats as a problem?
>
> Figures.
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