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Fish,

We are going to need to know a little more:
Are you interested in wooden boat building, or something else?
New construction or repairs?
Power, sail, row, or paddle?
Do you need plans, materials, advice or what?
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In article <MPG.19822698e6fe9bc39896cb.RemoveThis@news.rockbridge.net> , Fish
<nobody.RemoveThis@rock.net> wrote:

 > Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff, so I was
 > wondering if someone could direct me to a few key resources for those
 > new to boat building. Thanks.
 >
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In article <0t2Sa.94410$ye4.66564@sccrnsc01>, garydeanwright RemoveThis @mchsi.com
says...
 > Fish,
 >
 > We are going to need to know a little more:
 > Are you interested in wooden boat building, or something else?
 > New construction or repairs?
 > Power, sail, row, or paddle?
 > Do you need plans, materials, advice or what?

I'm interested in just general boat building. Wooden or fiberglass.
Sometime in the future I'd like to make a decently sized sailboat.
Plans and advice would be great!

Thanks

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Fish (nobody@rock.net) writes:
 > Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff,

Interesting comment. Although amateurs do put designs so old they're in
the public domain or the original pubisher has gone out of business, and
professional designers and their heirs sell old designs on websites, its
quicker, easier, and cheaper to put new stuff on a websites than to pubish
a book. I've seen more new designs and building projects by individuals on
websites than "outdated stuff". Take a look at Duckworks Magazine at
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.duckworkdmagazine.com" target="_blank">www.duckworkdmagazine.com</a> (the "archives section can be viewed free
without a subscription) for new stuff. Also look in the links section.
Gavin Atkins keeps adding new stuff to his website. The <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.boatlinks.com" target="_blank">www.boatlinks.com</a>
website is also frequently updated with new stuff. These are mostly
smaller boats one person can complete in less than a year.

There is a mindset which idolizes anything traditional but there are a
lot of other people with websites who are interested in innovation.

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On 19 Jul 2003 04:16:27 GMT, ag384.TakeThisOut@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R.
Watt) wrote:


 >There is a mindset which idolizes anything traditional but there are a
 >lot of other people with websites who are interested in innovation.

"Idolizes"? I suppose there are some that make a fetish out of
spending the very least possible amount of cash on something which
someone of easy-going temperment might, in a generous mood, call a
boat.

Some might "idolize" a greater boatbuilding goal than a $17.35 luan
boat. And that's Canadian.

I've said it before-in large measure the pleasure of owning a nice
boat can be in the construction. The journey is, in large part, the
goal.

I spent thirty years of my life doing things well for boat owners
which most of them would never know about nor appreciate. Others set
out to cut whatever corners possible to create something which only
vaguely resembles a boat. It's a matter of pride in doing the best one
can. Doing the least possible is inexplicable to me.

Do it well and reap the rewards. In the short and long run.

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In article <bfagmr$jf8$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>, ag384
@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says...
 >
 > Fish (nobody@rock.net) writes:
  > > Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff,
 >
 > Interesting comment. Although amateurs do put designs so old they're in
 > the public domain or the original pubisher has gone out of business, and
 > professional designers and their heirs sell old designs on websites, its
 > quicker, easier, and cheaper to put new stuff on a websites than to pubish
 > a book.

Sorry. What I meant was that most of the links I found were dead links,
not that the information was somehow outdated. Thank you for the
resources, though.

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:46:48 -0400, Fish <nobody.RemoveThis@rock.net> wrote:

 >Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff, so I was
 >wondering if someone could direct me to a few key resources for those
 >new to boat building. Thanks.
 >
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.woodenboat.com" target="_blank">www.woodenboat.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bearmountainboats.com" target="_blank">www.bearmountainboats.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.devlinboat.com" target="_blank">www.devlinboat.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pygmyboats.com" target="_blank">www.pygmyboats.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.selway-fisher.com" target="_blank">www.selway-fisher.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com" target="_blank">www.bateau.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com" target="_blank">www.glen-l.com</a>
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.flounderbay.com" target="_blank">www.flounderbay.com</a>

That should get you thinking.

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P.C. Ford (cwservices2@qwest.net) writes:
 > On 19 Jul 2003 04:16:27 GMT, ag384.DeleteThis@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R.
 > Watt) wrote:
 >
 >
  >>There is a mindset which idolizes anything traditional but there are a
  >>lot of other people with websites who are interested in innovation.
 >
 > "Idolizes"? I suppose there are some that make a fetish out of
 > spending the very least possible amount of cash on something which
 > someone of easy-going temperment might, in a generous mood, call a
 > boat.

Ford, in "generous mood", confesses to sin of not being of "easy-going
temperment", turns to face outgoing tide, opens tacky coffee table book of
traditional sailing craft photos, kneels, and prays.

 > I've said it before-in large measure the pleasure of owning a nice
 > boat can be in the construction. The journey is, in large part, the
 > goal.
 >
 > I spent thirty years of my life doing things well for boat owners
 > which most of them would never know about nor appreciate. Others set
 > out to cut whatever corners possible to create something which only
 > vaguely resembles a boat. It's a matter of pride in doing the best one
 > can. Doing the least possible is inexplicable to me.

appearances, appearances. its why they put models in bathing suits in boat
and beer ads.

 >
 > Do it well and reap the rewards. In the short and long run.

right, a reasonably well built innovative cheap boat beats a fastidiously well
built expensive traditional boat hands down, rewardwise, with enough money
left over to take the time to enjoy the boat instead of just look at it.


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ag384 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R. Watt) wrote in message news:<bfbe4q$qmf$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>...
 > P.C. Ford (cwservices2@qwest.net) writes:
  > > On 19 Jul 2003 04:16:27 GMT, ag384 RemoveThis @FreeNet.Carleton.CA (William R.
  > > Watt) wrote:
  > >
  > >
   > >>There is a mindset which idolizes anything traditional but there are a
   > >>lot of other people with websites who are interested in innovation.
  > >
  > > "Idolizes"? I suppose there are some that make a fetish out of
  > > spending the very least possible amount of cash on something which
  > > someone of easy-going temperment might, in a generous mood, call a
  > > boat.
 >
 > Ford, in "generous mood", confesses to sin of not being of "easy-going
 > temperment", turns to face outgoing tide, opens tacky coffee table book of
 > traditional sailing craft photos, kneels, and prays.
 >
  > > I've said it before-in large measure the pleasure of owning a nice
  > > boat can be in the construction. The journey is, in large part, the
  > > goal.
  > >
  > > I spent thirty years of my life doing things well for boat owners
  > > which most of them would never know about nor appreciate. Others set
  > > out to cut whatever corners possible to create something which only
  > > vaguely resembles a boat. It's a matter of pride in doing the best one
  > > can. Doing the least possible is inexplicable to me.
 >
 > appearances, appearances. its why they put models in bathing suits in boat
 > and beer ads.
 >
  > >
  > > Do it well and reap the rewards. In the short and long run.
 >
 > right, a reasonably well built innovative cheap boat beats a fastidiously well
 > built expensive traditional boat hands down, rewardwise, with enough money
 > left over to take the time to enjoy the boat instead of just look at it.

It always gets me how some dwell on one little era of boatbuilding out
of the tens of thousands of years of boatbuilding and consider that
very little slice of time the "traditional" era of boatbuilding. This
is the same type of attitude that has caused the stitch and tape
revolution. As you see, most of em just sit around crying about the
past when they were the only ones who could build boats and the rest
of us had to pay them to do it or work for them for years to learn a
tidbit or two about the trade. Even now, few of them will give out
much real boatbuilding information. For some it seems that it is more
about territory than tradition from what I can see, more or less, sour
grapes..
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Go to google, type "boat plans" then hit "I'm feeling lucky" and you will
see the best . . .
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"Fish" <nobody.DeleteThis@rock.net> wrote in message
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 > Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff, so I was
 > wondering if someone could direct me to a few key resources for those
 > new to boat building. Thanks.
 >
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What an iconoclast but so right.

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"Backyard Renegade" <skcusemans.TakeThisOut@eudoramail.com> wrote in message > > >
 >
 > It always gets me how some dwell on one little era of boatbuilding out
 > of the tens of thousands of years of boatbuilding and consider that
 > very little slice of time the "traditional" era of boatbuilding. This
 > is the same type of attitude that has caused the stitch and tape
 > revolution. As you see, most of em just sit around crying about the
 > past when they were the only ones who could build boats and the rest
 > of us had to pay them to do it or work for them for years to learn a
 > tidbit or two about the trade. Even now, few of them will give out
 > much real boatbuilding information. For some it seems that it is more
 > about territory than tradition from what I can see, more or less, sour
 > grapes..
 > Scotty, The Backyard Renegade.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Check out: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://dixonmarine.com/bp15.htm" target="_blank">http://dixonmarine.com/bp15.htm</a> Also. Thanks MIKE
"Rick Tyler" <rhtyler RemoveThis @attbi.com> wrote in message
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 > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:46:48 -0400, Fish <nobody RemoveThis @rock.net> wrote:
 >
  > >Hello. I've checked google, and found mostly oudated stuff, so I was
  > >wondering if someone could direct me to a few key resources for those
  > >new to boat building. Thanks.
  > >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.woodenboat.com</font" target="_blank">www.woodenboat.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bearmountainboats.com</font" target="_blank">www.bearmountainboats.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.devlinboat.com</font" target="_blank">www.devlinboat.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.pygmyboats.com</font" target="_blank">www.pygmyboats.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.selway-fisher.com</font" target="_blank">www.selway-fisher.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.bateau.com</font" target="_blank">www.bateau.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.glen-l.com</font" target="_blank">www.glen-l.com</font</a>>
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.flounderbay.com</font" target="_blank">www.flounderbay.com</font</a>>
 >
 > That should get you thinking.
 >
 > - Rick Tyler
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