Norcold refrigerater just died

Chuck Gould wrote:

> On Nov 7, 2:47?pm, Jim <j....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
>>volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>
>>Replace or repair?
>>
>>It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>>quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>
>>Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>
>>What have you all done?
>>
>>Thanks
>
>
>
> Here's a possible surprise for you- your Norcold never ran on 110
> volts.
>
> Your compressor etc runs on 9-volts DC. There is a step down
> transformer to convert the 110 AC to 9 volts DC. There is another to
> step down to 9 volts on the DC side.
>
> There is really no reason to run your fridge on AC. If you have AC
> available, (either from shorepower or an onboard generator) you can
> recharge the battery faster than the fridge will draw it down.
>
> When we replaced our little 6 cu ft fridge a few years ago I saved a
> couple of hundred bucks by not getting the AC/DC model and going DC
> only......as that's the way those units all work, anyway.
>
Thank you, you confirmed my suspicion. I was afraid had a built in
inverter that converted 12 volt to 110.

I pulled it out and will try to figure it out tomorrow.

It is time for a new one. If anyone could provide specific models that
replace the Nolongercold DE 704 I'd appreciate it.
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"Jim" <jim DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12 volt.
> It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>
> Replace or repair?
>
> It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
> quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>
> Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>
> What have you all done?
>
> Thanks


Take a good look at NovaKool for a replacement. Every Norcold I've had was
noisy and underpowered as far as cooling is concerned. Two years ago I
replaced the Norcold that came with the boat with a NovaKool. Much quieter
and stays cold. (the one in this boat is a 90 cubic foot with separate
freezer on the bottom. We also replaced the original Norcold on my wife's
boat with a smaller NovaKool model and it also works quietly and nicely.

http://www.novakool.com/

Eisboch
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"Eisboch" <nothere.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> "Jim" <jim.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12 volt.
>> It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>
>> Replace or repair?
>>
>> It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>> quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>
>> Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>
>> What have you all done?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> Take a good look at NovaKool for a replacement. Every Norcold I've had
> was noisy and underpowered as far as cooling is concerned. Two years ago
> I replaced the Norcold that came with the boat with a NovaKool. Much
> quieter and stays cold. (the one in this boat is a 90 cubic foot with
> separate freezer on the bottom. We also replaced the original Norcold on
> my wife's boat with a smaller NovaKool model and it also works quietly and
> nicely.
>
> http://www.novakool.com/
>
> Eisboch
>
>
>

try 9 cubic feet. I really don't eat *that* much.

Eisboch
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim <jim.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
>volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>
>Replace or repair?
>
>It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>
>Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>
>What have you all done?

If it's still running on 12 volts that means that the
compressor/condenser is still OK, which is at the heart of the unit.
You could either try to troubleshoot the electrical problem or
continue running it on 12 volts by beefing up your charging system if
necessary.
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Wayne.B wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim <jim DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
>>volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>
>>Replace or repair?
>>
>>It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>>quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>
>>Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>
>>What have you all done?
>
>
> If it's still running on 12 volts that means that the
> compressor/condenser is still OK, which is at the heart of the unit.
> You could either try to troubleshoot the electrical problem or
> continue running it on 12 volts by beefing up your charging system if
> necessary.

That's what I'm doing right now, and it seems to be working ok. It is
an old unit, newer ones are more energy efficient and maybe quieter.
Hopefully.

The latch is broken, it's time for a new one.
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim penned the following well
considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
|volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
|
|Replace or repair?
|
|It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
|quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
|
|Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
|
|What have you all done?
|
|Thanks

Now it is an Nercold!

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Gene Kearns wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim penned the following well
> considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
>
> |My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
> |volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
> |
> |Replace or repair?
> |
> |It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
> |quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
> |
> |Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
> |
> |What have you all done?
> |
> |Thanks
>
> Now it is an Nercold!
>
Notcold
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:14:10 -0500, Gene Kearns
<gene.boating RemoveThis @myworkshop.idleplay.net> wrote:

>Now it is an Nercold!

Since it still runs on 12 volts I'd call it a Hafanercold.
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 18:25:18 -0500, "Eisboch" <nothere.RemoveThis@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Eisboch" <nothere.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jim" <jim.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13j4g4g58lchee1@corp.supernews.com...
>>> My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12 volt.
>>> It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>>
>>> Replace or repair?
>>>
>>> It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>>> quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>>
>>> Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>>
>>> What have you all done?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Take a good look at NovaKool for a replacement. Every Norcold I've had
>> was noisy and underpowered as far as cooling is concerned. Two years ago
>> I replaced the Norcold that came with the boat with a NovaKool. Much
>> quieter and stays cold. (the one in this boat is a 90 cubic foot with
>> separate freezer on the bottom. We also replaced the original Norcold on
>> my wife's boat with a smaller NovaKool model and it also works quietly and
>> nicely.
>>
>> http://www.novakool.com/
>
>try 9 cubic feet. I really don't eat *that* much.

I was just going to ask you if you had a walk-in refrigerator. :>)

Which, by the way, I have actually seen in a house. One of my best
bud's father owned a resturant in New Orleans and when they built the
house after he sold it, one of the things he installed was a walk-in
refrigerator.

It was a scream to walk into a refrigerator to get a can of soda.
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"Jim" <jim.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Wayne.B wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim <jim.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12 volt.
>>>It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>>
>>>Replace or repair?
>>>
>>>It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>>>quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>>
>>>Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>>
>>>What have you all done?
>>
>>
>> If it's still running on 12 volts that means that the
>> compressor/condenser is still OK, which is at the heart of the unit.
>> You could either try to troubleshoot the electrical problem or
>> continue running it on 12 volts by beefing up your charging system if
>> necessary.
>
> That's what I'm doing right now, and it seems to be working ok. It is an
> old unit, newer ones are more energy efficient and maybe quieter.
> Hopefully.
>
> The latch is broken, it's time for a new one.


I missed the part of your post that Wayne pointed out. These refridgerators
run on 12-24 volts DC. When powered by 120vac, there is a converter that
steps it to the 12volts. It would seem that's the component that is bad on
yours.

Still, IMO, at 20 years old, it probably isn't worth the cost to fix. I'd
replace it. It certainly doesn't owe you anything.

Eisboch
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Eisboch wrote:
> "Jim" <jim RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Wayne.B wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 14:47:42 -0800, Jim <jim RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12 volt.
>>>>It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years old.
>>>>
>>>>Replace or repair?
>>>>
>>>>It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>>>>quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>>>
>>>>What have you all done?
>>>
>>>
>>>If it's still running on 12 volts that means that the
>>>compressor/condenser is still OK, which is at the heart of the unit.
>>>You could either try to troubleshoot the electrical problem or
>>>continue running it on 12 volts by beefing up your charging system if
>>>necessary.
>>
>>That's what I'm doing right now, and it seems to be working ok. It is an
>>old unit, newer ones are more energy efficient and maybe quieter.
>>Hopefully.
>>
>>The latch is broken, it's time for a new one.
>
>
>
> I missed the part of your post that Wayne pointed out. These refridgerators
> run on 12-24 volts DC. When powered by 120vac, there is a converter that
> steps it to the 12volts. It would seem that's the component that is bad on
> yours.
>
> Still, IMO, at 20 years old, it probably isn't worth the cost to fix. I'd
> replace it. It certainly doesn't owe you anything.
>
> Eisboch
>
>
I'm ore than willing to replace it. Everything i have seen so far
won't fit the cutout unless it's SMALLER.
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"Chuck Gould" <chuckgould.chuck DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 7, 2:47?pm, Jim <j... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>> My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
>> volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years
>> old.
>>
>> Replace or repair?
>>
>> It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
>> quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>>
>> Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>>
>> What have you all done?
>>
>> Thanks
>
>
> Here's a possible surprise for you- your Norcold never ran on 110
> volts.
>
> Your compressor etc runs on 9-volts DC. There is a step down
> transformer to convert the 110 AC to 9 volts DC. There is another to
> step down to 9 volts on the DC side.
>
> There is really no reason to run your fridge on AC. If you have AC
> available, (either from shorepower or an onboard generator) you can
> recharge the battery faster than the fridge will draw it down.
>
> When we replaced our little 6 cu ft fridge a few years ago I saved a
> couple of hundred bucks by not getting the AC/DC model and going DC
> only......as that's the way those units all work, anyway.
>

I think differently. I'd rather run it on 120 vac when dockside and take
that load off the batteries and charger. In fact, while underway I almost
always run the genset as well, so the refrig rarely, if ever, runs off the
batteries. Depending on the size, the refrig can represent quite a large
load amp wise at 12 vdc. I am of the school that batteries life is affected
by high charge/discharge rates.

No particular scientific reason .... I just believe that.

Eisboch
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On Nov 7, 5:20?pm, "Eisboch" <noth... RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Chuck Gould" <chuckgould.ch... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 7, 2:47?pm, Jim <j... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> My Norcold DF0704 stopped working on 110. Seems to work fine on 12
> >> volt. It was probably original with the boat, so it must be 20 years
> >> old.
>
> >> Replace or repair?
>
> >> It looks like that model isn't made any more and what I see (on a very
> >> quick look) shows that none of the new ones fit the cutout.
>
> >> Maybe i just haven't found the right one yet.
>
> >> What have you all done?
>
> >> Thanks
>
> > Here's a possible surprise for you- your Norcold never ran on 110
> > volts.
>
> > Your compressor etc runs on 9-volts DC. There is a step down
> > transformer to convert the 110 AC to 9 volts DC. There is another to
> > step down to 9 volts on the DC side.
>
> > There is really no reason to run your fridge on AC. If you have AC
> > available, (either from shorepower or an onboard generator) you can
> > recharge the battery faster than the fridge will draw it down.
>
> > When we replaced our little 6 cu ft fridge a few years ago I saved a
> > couple of hundred bucks by not getting the AC/DC model and going DC
> > only......as that's the way those units all work, anyway.
>
> I think differently. I'd rather run it on 120 vac when dockside and take
> that load off the batteries and charger. In fact, while underway I almost
> always run the genset as well, so the refrig rarely, if ever, runs off the
> batteries. Depending on the size, the refrig can represent quite a large
> load amp wise at 12 vdc. I am of the school that batteries life is affected
> by high charge/discharge rates.
>
> No particular scientific reason .... I just believe that.
>
> Eisboch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If you're running a genset or hooked to shorepower, you can easily
power a 30-amp converter. Let's say your converter is divided into two
legs, with 15-amps per side for the house and starting batteries. The
converter will easily replace any of the energy used by the
refrigerator at a rate that is as fast or faster than the refrigerator
draws it down. I would be at least slightly surprised to learn that
you use only 110-volt lightbulbs, etc etc while underway to avoid
draining the battery. If the compressor runs 15-20 minutes per hour,
it's using relatively little DC as well and you're simply running on
the "top" of the battery.

It's been years since I had AC power to my refrigerator freezer, and
my current batteries are about five years old and still going very,
very strong.
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