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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:25 am
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On Jan 30, 12:41 pm, sa....DeleteThis@dog.com wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:30 -0800 (PST), LoogyPic....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >> Tim wrote:
> >> > Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> >> > winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> >> > trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
> >> > then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> >> > loss of voice.   No fun!
>
> >> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
> >> do. No flu.
>
> >Oh, and that whole industry is quite the scam! Here, educate yourself:
>
> >http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead1.html
>
> >But, I'm sure you know more than the doctor that wrote the article.
> >Probably invite Dr. Koop on your lobster boat to talk about just such
> >things...
>
> Gary Null... ahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA...
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­A!- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Uh, the doctor commenting isn't Gary Null, but nice try. I guess that
nitwit Harry didn't get that either!

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:37 am
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On Jan 30, 12:45 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> sa....DeleteThis@dog.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:30 -0800 (PST), LoogyPic....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>> Tim wrote:
> >>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> >>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> >>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
> >>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> >>>> loss of voice. No fun!
> >>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
> >>> do. No flu.
> >> Oh, and that whole industry is quite the scam! Here, educate yourself:
>
> >>http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead1.html
>
> >> But, I'm sure you know more than the doctor that wrote the article.
> >> Probably invite Dr. Koop on your lobster boat to talk about just such
> >> things...
>
> > Gary Null... ahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA...
> > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-A!
>
> Well, I wasn't going to point that out. Glad you did. "Loogy" knows no
> more about medicine than he does about concrete mixes for sidewalks. I
> think he's institutionalized somewhere in Georgia and is allowed to use
> a computer for a while each day because he's convinced his keepers he is
> taking correspondence courses at a local juco.- Hide quoted text -
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Harry, tell me what YOU know about medicine.
Do you, for instance, realize that by getting flu shots, you are
setting yourself up for super strains that aren't treatable? Ask your
Dr. wife!

From the CDC:


Who should not get a flu shot

People who have chronic (long-term) health problems. Examples include
heart or lung problems, kidney problems, diabetes, or blood disorders.


People who have weakened immune systems and cannot fight infections
very well. This includes people with cancer or HIV/AIDS, or people
taking steroid medicine long-term.


Those who are often around people with severely weakened immune
systems.


Any child under 18 years of age who takes aspirin regularly.


Pregnant women.


People with a history of Guillain-Barre Syndrome.

What are the risks of getting the influenza vaccine?

After receiving a flu shot: You may have redness, swelling, or
soreness where the shot was given. This may last for up to two days.
You may also have fever or body aches for a day or two.


After receiving the intranasal vaccine: Most problems that may happen
after receiving the intranasal vaccine are mild. You may have a runny
or stuffy nose, coughing, a headache or body aches, or a sore throat.
You may have a fever, abdominal (belly) pain, vomiting, or diarrhea.


Risks with both the flu shot and the intranasal vaccine: Any medicine
may cause serious problems. However, the risk of serious problems due
to the influenza vaccine is very small. Talk to your caregiver if you
have questions or concerns.

What should I do if I have a serious reaction to the influenza
vaccine?

If you have any of the following symptoms, call your caregiver:

High fever or shaking chills.
Trouble thinking clearly, or changes in your behavior.
Weakness, dizziness, or a fast heart beat.
Hives, skin rash, or itching.

If you have any of the following symptoms seek immediate medical
care:

Hoarseness, wheezing, trouble breathing, or trouble swallowing.
Swelling in your mouth, throat, or tongue.
Tightness in your chest.
Feeling like you are going to pass out.

More:
Flu vaccines 'not worth the trouble'

By David Rose

FLU vaccines may be far less effective at combating seasonal outbreaks
than previously thought, researchers say, adding that they may not be
worth the cost and effort required to produce them.

After years of being "in the Biz", I have had this opinion for a long
time... I NEVER get the damned thing! (And I NEVER (almost never) get
the Flu... of course, working in pharmacy and being exposed to
EVERYTHING, ALL THE TIME may have something to do with it... my immune
system is prolly fairly strong.)
Quote:
NI_MPU('middle');According to a review published today, there is
little clinical evidence that the vaccines reduce deaths
significantly, hospital stays and time off work among those most at
risk from seasonal flu, including the over-65s and those with chronic
heart and lung conditions.
Public policy worldwide recommends the use of inactivated influenza
vaccines -- those that contain dead viruses and are given with a needle
in the arm -- to prevent outbreaks. More than 15 million doses of
vaccine have been ordered for use this winter in Britain.
But according to Tom Jefferson, a vaccines expert, vaccines given to
children under 2 have the same effect as if they were given a dummy
drug. He is calling for an urgent re-evaluation of vaccination
campaigns. Writing in the British Medical Journal, he says that
because influenza viruses mutate and vary from year to year, it is
difficult for scientists to study the precise effects of vaccines and
that most existing studies are of poor quality. Responding to Dr
Jefferson's comments, David Salisbury, director of immunisation at the
Department of Health, said: "In older people, protection against
infection may be less, but there is good evidence showing that
immunisation reduces broncho- pneumonia, hospital admissions and
mortality."

All in all, I'd like you to ask your Dr. wife, perhaps when you are
out on your lobster boat this weekend, what she thinks of the facts
given.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:04 am
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:22:49 -0500, "Eisboch" <rce.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>There's a much healthier and productive way to avoid this. Go *do*
>something. You may not get rich, but you'll be happier, healthier and much
>more at peace with yourself for at least trying. It sure beats sitting
>around bitching about everybody else.

Back when I got out of rehab and was starting my life all over, I
stumbled across a book about Teddy Roosevelt. In it were some very
profound concepts which helped me through a tough period and really
sparked whatever success I gained in life.

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.”

“The only man who makes no mistakes is the man who never does
anything.”

“Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs,
even though checked by failure...than to rank with those poor spirits
who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in a gray
twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.”

Amen.
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:31 am
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On Jan 30, 12:36 pm, HK <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 12:30 pm, LoogyPic... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Tim wrote:
> >>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> >>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> >>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
> >>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> >>>> loss of voice. No fun!
> >>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
> >>> do. No flu.
> >> This isn't the flu, Harry. But, then again, I'm sure you have the best
> >> doctor at the best hospital in the world.........
>
> > I know, makes things hard around here. I was about to order chineese
> > take out but then remembered that only Harry and that other jackass
> > know what good chineese food is, and where to get it.. Now I am going
> > to have a grilled cheese.. I think I can pull that off;)
>
> If you want good "Chinese food," you might start by learning how to
> spell "Chinese."

Chinese?? Yikes! Those are people!!! I DON'T EAT PEOPLEMEAT!!! I was
talking about chineese food, I suppose there are some who have never
had it, sorry, I thought you were hip;)
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:15 pm
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Tim wrote:
> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> loss of voice. No fun!
>


I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
do. No flu.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:19 pm
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:32 pm
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gfretwell DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:40:44 -0500, HK <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, well, I was speaking to the concept of "successful businessmen"
>> serving as POTUS. Those two were the only ones in my lifetime who were
>> even businessmen, though Harry S Truman was in the clothing business
>> before getting into politics full time. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson,
>> Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Clinton were not businessmen. Jimmy Carter ran
>> a fairly successful aggie business in Georgie. There's just nothing in
>> modern times behind the concept that a "successful businessman" will be
>> a good president.
>
> Anyone who was really successful in business is probably too smart to
> be president. We seem to like affable clowns who look friendly on TV.
> I suspect it is just the illusion that anyone can come from a trailer
> park in Arkansas or Texas and end up in the White House. That is why
> all of these guys seem to go cut brush and firewood on vacation. (at
> least for a minute or so on TV)


That's an absurdity. I've met and worked with a lot of businessmen in my
career, including CEO's of large corporations, and none of them
impressed me as being "smarter" than the national-level politicians I
have met. And it is no illusion that greatness can come from humble
beginnings. It's really up to the individual, getting a break or two,
and being smart enough to take advantage of them.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:34 pm
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<LoogyPicker RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 30, 12:10 pm, Tim <tschna... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork.

The ensuing outcome looks like somebody shredded my sinuses with a
salad fork, that's for sure!

That lasts a day or so,
> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> loss of voice. No fun!

I feel fine now, except for the fact that I've got enough snot for
about ten people!

Hence your alias? Cool
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:36 pm
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justwaitafrekinminute.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:30 pm, LoogyPic....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33....RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Tim wrote:
>>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
>>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
>>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
>>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
>>>> loss of voice. No fun!
>>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
>>> do. No flu.
>> This isn't the flu, Harry. But, then again, I'm sure you have the best
>> doctor at the best hospital in the world.........
>
> I know, makes things hard around here. I was about to order chineese
> take out but then remembered that only Harry and that other jackass
> know what good chineese food is, and where to get it.. Now I am going
> to have a grilled cheese.. I think I can pull that off;)


If you want good "Chinese food," you might start by learning how to
spell "Chinese."
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salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:30 -0800 (PST), LoogyPicker.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>> Tim wrote:
>>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
>>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
>>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
>>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
>>>> loss of voice. No fun!
>>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
>>> do. No flu.
>> Oh, and that whole industry is quite the scam! Here, educate yourself:
>>
>> http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead1.html
>>
>> But, I'm sure you know more than the doctor that wrote the article.
>> Probably invite Dr. Koop on your lobster boat to talk about just such
>> things...
>
> Gary Null... ahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA...
> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>
>


Well, I wasn't going to point that out. Glad you did. "Loogy" knows no
more about medicine than he does about concrete mixes for sidewalks. I
think he's institutionalized somewhere in Georgia and is allowed to use
a computer for a while each day because he's convinced his keepers he is
taking correspondence courses at a local juco.
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On Jan 30, 2:22 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
"@yahoo.com> wrote:
> sa....RemoveThis@dog.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:25:11 -0800 (PST), LoogyPic....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> On Jan 30, 12:41 pm, sa....RemoveThis@dog.com wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:30 -0800 (PST), LoogyPic....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33....RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Tim wrote:
> >>>>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
> >>>>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
> >>>>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
> >>>>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
> >>>>>> loss of voice.   No fun!
> >>>>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot.. I
> >>>>> do. No flu.
> >>>> Oh, and that whole industry is quite the scam! Here, educate yourself:
> >>>>http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead1.html
> >>>> But, I'm sure you know more than the doctor that wrote the article.
> >>>> Probably invite Dr. Koop on your lobster boat to talk about just such
> >>>> things...
> >>> Gary Null... ahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA...
> >>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­H­AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAH­A!- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> Uh, the doctor commenting isn't Gary Null, but nice try. I guess that
> >> nitwit Harry didn't get that either!
>
> > It's an interview with Gary Null. No one with any credibility would
> > want to have anything to do with him. The Gerry Springer show would be
> > FAR more credible.
>
> While Gary Null is a crack pot, there are lots of creditable people who
> do question flu vaccines, including dr.'s in the CDC.  If my memory
> serves me correct, Newsweek did a story where they said the vaccines are
> only effective only about 30% of the time.
>
> I did a quick Google and found lots of references, but this is an
> article from MSNBC referencing a study by NIH.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9438511/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes, they are ineffective at best, and just like antibiotics, are
slowly creating super strains, but you know how it is, if Harry does
it, it's perfect.
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salty RemoveThis @dog.com wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:25:11 -0800 (PST), LoogyPicker RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
>> On Jan 30, 12:41 pm, sa... RemoveThis @dog.com wrote:
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:36:30 -0800 (PST), LoogyPic... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Jan 30, 12:15 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>>> Tim wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, same problem. I get a dose of a congestive flu bug about once a
>>>>>> winter especially with harsh weather changes. It feels like somebodys
>>>>>> trying to shred the lungs with a salad fork. That lasts a day or so,
>>>>>> then all the stuff starts heading for the top. stuffed passages and
>>>>>> loss of voice. No fun!
>>>>> I don't know where you live, but around here, you can get a flu shot. I
>>>>> do. No flu.
>>>> Oh, and that whole industry is quite the scam! Here, educate yourself:
>>>> http://www.whale.to/vaccines/snead1.html
>>>> But, I'm sure you know more than the doctor that wrote the article.
>>>> Probably invite Dr. Koop on your lobster boat to talk about just such
>>>> things...
>>> Gary Null... ahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA...
>>> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA­HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH­A!- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> Uh, the doctor commenting isn't Gary Null, but nice try. I guess that
>> nitwit Harry didn't get that either!
>
> It's an interview with Gary Null. No one with any credibility would
> want to have anything to do with him. The Gerry Springer show would be
> FAR more credible.
>
>

While Gary Null is a crack pot, there are lots of creditable people who
do question flu vaccines, including dr.'s in the CDC. If my memory
serves me correct, Newsweek did a story where they said the vaccines are
only effective only about 30% of the time.

I did a quick Google and found lots of references, but this is an
article from MSNBC referencing a study by NIH.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9438511/
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