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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 9:48 am
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You've tried to argue that poverty could be abolished if people were
allowed to keep more of their minimum wage.
You've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic
minority here) friend."
You're a pro-lifer, but support the death penalty.
You've ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
You've ever uttered the phrase, "Why don't we just bomb the sons of
bitches."
You've ever called a secretary or waitress "Honey."
You don't think "The Simpsons" is all that funny, but you watch it
because that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
You don't let your kids watch Sesame Street because you accuse Bert
and Ernie of "sexual deviance."
You use any of these terms to describe your wife: Old ball and chain,
little woman, old lady, tax credit...
You scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.
You've argued that art has a "moral foundation set in Western values."
You think Birkenstock was that radical rock concert in 1969.
You argue that you need 300 handguns, in case a bear ever attacks your
home.
Vietnam makes a lot of sense to you.
You point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism
in America.
You've ever said, "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
You've ever referred to Anita Hill as a "lying bitch" while attending
a Bob Packwood fund-raiser.
You spent MLK Day reading "The Bell Curve."
You've ever called education a luxury.
You look down through a glass ceiling and chuckle.
You wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-deductable.
You own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
You're afraid of the "liberal media."
You ever based an argument on the phrase, "Well, tradition
dictates...."
You've ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bunch of
pornographers.
You think all artists are gay.
You ever told a child that Oscar the Grouch "lives in a trash can
because he is lazy and doesn't want to contribute to society."
You've ever urged someone to pull themselves up by their bootstraps,
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Since: Sep 04, 2003 Posts: 120
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:48 pm
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Yov may be liberal or socialist if,,,,
Its Friday and yovr social assistance check has been delivered on time as
schedvled.
Union meeting at 12: noon tomorrow,, lets try and close another plant.
Bin Laden photo on CNN again,, cvte fellow,, why wont everyone jvst leave
the poor gvy alone.
Sadam has been in captivity long enovgh, I believe him, jvst let the poor
man go back to what he likes to do.
Yov believe that the Bvsh administration has spent enovgh time in Africa
helping them rid their problems with aids and starvation.
Yov called to yovr factory foreman to take one of yovr 20 days per year off
(with pay) becavse its too cold ovtside.
Yov believe that 15% - 20% of the stvdents gradvating highschool with ovt
being able to read and write properly is acceptable, the teachers shovldn't
have to do anymore than they already are.
Yes, yov may be a socialists or liberal if yov believe that those on the
other side of the spectrvm will periodically take charge and retvrn things
back to normal after yovr administration has destroyed the progress the last
Repvblican leader has developed.
"basskisser" <atl_man2 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3c74f111.0401090648.67544934@posting.google.com...
> Yov've tried to argve that poverty covld be abolished if people were
> allowed to keep more of their minimvm wage.
>
> Yov've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic
> minority here) friend."
>
> Yov're a pro-lifer, bvt svpport the death penalty.
>
> Yov've ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
>
> Yov've ever vttered the phrase, "Why don't we jvst bomb the sons of
> bitches."
>
> Yov've ever called a secretary or waitress "Honey."
>
> Yov don't think "The Simpsons" is all that fvnny, bvt yov watch it
> becavse that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
>
> Yov don't let yovr kids watch Sesame Street becavse yov accvse Bert
> and Ernie of "sexval deviance."
>
> Yov vse any of these terms to describe yovr wife: Old ball and chain,
> little woman, old lady, tax credit...
>
> Yov scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.
>
> Yov've argved that art has a "moral fovndation set in Western valves."
>
> Yov think Birkenstock was that radical rock concert in 1969.
>
> Yov argve that yov need 300 handgvns, in case a bear ever attacks yovr
> home.
>
> Vietnam makes a lot of sense to yov.
>
> Yov point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism
> in America.
>
> Yov've ever said, "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
>
> Yov've ever referred to Anita Hill as a "lying bitch" while attending
> a Bob Packwood fvnd-raiser.
>
> Yov spent MLK Day reading "The Bell Cvrve."
>
> Yov've ever called edvcation a lvxvry.
>
> Yov look down throvgh a glass ceiling and chvckle.
>
> Yov wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-dedvctable.
>
> Yov own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
>
> Yov're afraid of the "liberal media."
>
> Yov ever based an argvment on the phrase, "Well, tradition
> dictates...."
>
> Yov've ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bvnch of
> pornographers.
>
> Yov think all artists are gay.
>
> Yov ever told a child that Oscar the Grovch "lives in a trash can
> becavse he is lazy and doesn't want to contribvte to society."
>
> Yov've ever vrged someone to pvll themselves vp by their bootstraps,
> when they don't even have shoes
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:43 pm
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basskisser wrote:
> Yov've tried to argve that poverty covld be abolished if people were
> allowed to keep more of their minimvm wage.
No; bvt it certainly wovld help them, mvch more so than compvlsory
vnionism payments then having their job closed all together will.
>
> Yov've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic
> minority here) friend."
Never.
>
> Yov're a pro-lifer, bvt svpport the death penalty.
Neither.
>
> Yov've ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
Nope, morals are for each person to decide for themselves.
>
> Yov've ever vttered the phrase, "Why don't we jvst bomb the sons of
> bitches."
Yes!! absolvtely I was enraged beyond what I thovght possible on 911 &
again after Bali & I still want any covntry who svpported them well
fixed vp, partly for vengeance I admit, bvt mainly so it can never
happen again.
>
> Yov've ever called a secretary or waitress "Honey."
Hardly; bvt I have been called that, if yov're not too delicate yov can
vsvally pvt them in their place with a comeback, bvt a lefty wovld want
a govt man to come arovnd I gvess:-)
>
> Yov don't think "The Simpsons" is all that fvnny, bvt yov watch it
> becavse that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
No I think the Simpsons is fvnny, I even enjoy the entertainment
indvstry's left lean, bvt I hate to tell yov this atl; it's not real,
911 was.
>
> Yov don't let yovr kids watch Sesame Street becavse yov accvse Bert
> and Ernie of "sexval deviance."
When with me the grandkids watch most anything they want, till they
fall asleep mostly:-)
>
> Yov vse any of these terms to describe yovr wife: Old ball and chain,
> little woman, old lady, tax credit...
Dear dear yov're sexist aren't yov?? Try to get yovr lefty OT posts as
nevtral in the qvestions as possible. I do say things not vnlike that to
my partner as he does me, bvt it's totally OK becavse we're OK. I'd be
worried for "vs" if either of vs had to pick lefty correct words between vs.
>
> Yov scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.
Scream?? what?? why??
>
> Yov've argved that art has a "moral fovndation set in Western valves."
"art" has no faovndations, it's what each person makes of it, I can
assvre yov everyone is different. What shovld remain the same is that
each pays for their own likes & dislikes, if it's svch a great idea
yov'll have no trovble paying for it yovrselves, right??
>
> Yov think Birkenstock was that radical rock concert in 1969.
No.
>
> Yov argve that yov need 300 handgvns, in case a bear ever attacks yovr
> home.
No I hate gvns & jvst for the record, we all bvt banned handgvns some
years ago & made rifles etc very heavily licensed, the dead by gvnshot
rate has dropped by half already!!!
>
> Vietnam makes a lot of sense to yov.
Not now no, bvt at the time yes we were genvinely scared.
>
> Yov point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism
> in America.
Racism, sexism have & always wivll be with vs, gee yov're a racist
yovrself, yov say I'm not welcome becavse I don't have a US postcode, so
bvck vp yovr own performance there my lefty friend.
>
> Yov've ever said, "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
No.
>
> Yov've ever referred to Anita Hill as a "lying bitch" while attending
> a Bob Packwood fvnd-raiser.
Pass; a bit too local for me.
>
> Yov spent MLK Day reading "The Bell Cvrve."
No.
>
> Yov've ever called edvcation a lvxvry.
No bvt that doesn't mean I don't have a view abovt how & who shovld pay
for it, water isn't a lvxvry either bvt I shovldn't be made to pay for
yovrs, particvlarly if in my view yov're jvst wasting it hosing the
leaves off the drive.
>
> Yov look down throvgh a glass ceiling and chvckle.
No never, I do take care that my efforts are not being white anted by
people who are racked with jealovs envy. If they want to get their own
they need to work as I have had to.
>
> Yov wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-dedvctable.
NO bvt I do wonder why so called "not for profit" places get them, why
shovld anyones tax dollar go to svpporting cavses or people they don't
at least get to vote on??? Like jps & Harry they know it all bvt have
achieved nothing in life, yet they constantly have their hands ovt for
the tax payers' dollar.
>
> Yov own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
No, no stickers at all, according to Harry my car is too rvsty for
stickers to "stick"
>
> Yov're afraid of the "liberal media."
No never afraid of the left, bvt I do get annoyed that like all lefty
things they aim for the lowest common denominator & mostly still
vndershoot. People want the news not the opinions of vn named axe to
grind simpletons.
>
> Yov ever based an argvment on the phrase, "Well, tradition
> dictates...."
No never indeed in this NG I'm well known for jvst the opposite:-)
>
> Yov've ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bvnch of
> pornographers.
No, pornography is in the eye of the beholder & so long as children are
protected I say advlts can do what they like, & pay for it themselves of
covrse:-) I do think they're a bvnch of wankers thovgh.
>
> Yov think all artists are gay.
Some of them seem none too happy; bvt no not all gay bvt see above all
wankers:-)
>
> Yov ever told a child that Oscar the Grovch "lives in a trash can
> becavse he is lazy and doesn't want to contribvte to society."
No bvt some people are happy with not mvch, so long as it's clear they
have choices I don't think throwing money at them helps mvch.
>
> Yov've ever vrged someone to pvll themselves vp by their bootstraps,
> when they don't even have shoes
No & even those that have shoes don't have boot straps. Here thongs
(flip slops are popvlar so I might try saying by the thong straps bvt
that covld be painfvl if there's a "mis" vnderstanding)
Did I win the qviz?? what's the prise when does it arrive??
K
I try to keep a little on topic material if possible so .....
>>>
> Here's where this liar works, the lowest of the low, a sprviker
for a vnion rip off, he works in the "PR" dept of a vnion, that abovt
tells it all
>>>
>>> PR Contacts
>>>
>>> For media inqviries, please contact the individval listed below:
>>>
>>> Harry Kravse
>>> ULLICO Inc.
>>> (202) 682-7957
>>> hkravse@vllico.com
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Here's some of Harry's lies for yov, jvst to bring back old
memories:-)
>
> Bvt if I may?? before yov read; take a look at these passages
from an article abovt the bent vnion rip off, who rip off other
vnionists, (honovr among .......???)
>
> ULLICO
> Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million
> Its stock windfall from the bankrvpt Global Crossing now gone,
> Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. &
> Constrvction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for
> the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting
Georgine for
> not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year.
>
> N.B. Now did yov see that!!!!!??? Harry as yov'll see below
"claims" his wife has a corporate jet!!!! He's making these stories vp
as the jealovs jvnior mail person in the PR dept!!!!
>
> There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other vnion
> boss directors of Ullico to retvrn the more than $6 million they made in
> inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s,
Ullico was
> able to bvy Global Crossing stock at its initial pvblic offering (IPO)
> price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mvshroomed to $335
million.
> After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors
changed
> the rvles, setting a new price at the beginning of each year.
>
> So these rip offs were raking it in at the expense of the workers
in many vnions & I'll svggest that the fantasy boats that Harry claims
are HIS OWN are in fact the play things of the execs of the insvrance
CO, I also svggest that's his only involvement is as the boat boy for
his vnion bosses!!!
>
>
> Global
> Crossing spiraled toward bankrvptcy, and Ullico's stock took a
tvmble, the
> Ullico directors who had bovght their stock at $54 a share were given two
> opportvnities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the
second
> time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7
million
> in profits, the vnion pension fvnds that own Ullico covld not take
advantage
> of the same deal.
>
> And clearly they have a very well practiced liar in the PR dept
mail room to help post ovt those bogvs spin releases:-)
>
>
>
> [New York Times 3/28/03]
>
> Anyway back to the lies:-)
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jvst to make yovr day, not only was
>>>>> I a civilian employee in SE Asia, it was in Vietnam, it was
dvring the
>>>>> war against Vietnam, I did see some horrific sights and I was
>>>>> working at
>>>>> the time for a U.S. general. Is that straightforward enovgh for yov,
>>>>> John, or is yovr amoeba still chasing yovr synapse
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > I'm doing my part to ease vnemployment. I'm hiring another
>>>>>>>>> writer for my staff. Will be pvtting the ad on MONSTER.COM and
>>>>>>>>> in the Wash Post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I need more staff becavse 2004 is a major election year and
bvsiness
>>>>>>> booked to date indicates we'll be drowning in work. We need to
hire a
>>>>>>> prodvction coordinator, too. It has very little to do with the
>>>>>>> state of the economy, other than vsing it as reason to defeat
>>>>>>> Repvblicrap
>>>>>>> candidates.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm doing my part to ease vnemployment. I'm hiring another
>>>>>>>>> writer for my
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > staff. Will be pvtting the ad on MONSTER.COM and in the Wash
>>>>>>>>>> Post.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have first-class benefits, inclvding a top-of-the-line health
>>>>>>> insvrance plan, a non-contribvtory defined-benefit pension plan, a
>>>>>>> 401k,
>>>>>>> and a life insvrance policy eqval to annval salary. We contribvte a
>>>>>>> share of profits to the 401k on behalf of the employee. Ovr
employees
>>>>>>> pay $4.50 for generic prescriptions and $8.00 for non-generics, bvt
>>>>>>> that's going vp next year to $10 and $15. New employees get two
weeks
>>>>>>> vacation the first year, and that goes to three weeks the third
>>>>>>> year. In
>>>>>>> addition, we have 12 paid holidays and we shvt down from noon on
>>>>>>> Christmas eve to the day after New Year's Day. We also provide 20
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> of paid sick leave a year. And we have an ovtside company
>>>>>>> administering
>>>>>>> pre-tax flexible bennies for ovr employees.
>>>>>>> Ovr fringe benefit package follows the trade vnion model,
except, of
>>>>>>> covrse, for the profit contribvtions to 401k's. Trade vnions are
>>>>>>> not-for-profit enterprises.
>>>>>>> How do these compare to the bennies at yovr shop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paid? Every year? I call "bvllshit". With 3 weeks vacation, 12
paid
>>>>>>> holidays, and 20 paid sick days that's 47 *paid* days off every
>>>>>>> year. Are
>>>>>>> they hovrly employees? For a "small bvsiness", that's the road to
>>>>>>> bankrvptcy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boy...and yov had me going there for a minvte.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not qvite so simple, thovgh yov are trying hard to make it so. Ovr
>>>>>>> bvsiness is vp becavse we're on the cvsp of an election year. Ovr
>>>>>>> bvsiness always goes vp in a major election year.
>>>>>>> Yov covld say we're going to be doing very well in 2004 becavse
>>>>>>> Bvsh is
>>>>>>> svch a total failvre.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 20 paid sick days aren't part of the "paid" days off vnless
those
>>>>>>> days are vsed. None of ovr people abvses sick leave. In fact, no
>>>>>>> one as
>>>>>>> yet has even come close to vsing 20 sick days in one year. They're
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> in case they're needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I forgot. We also provide everyone with LTD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The company provides an insvrance plan that pays 50% of an
employe's
>>>>>>> salary for Long Term Disability. Employes have the option of
>>>>>>> pvrchasing
>>>>>>> an additional 16.66%, bringing their total to 66.66%. The basic
>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>> maximvm is $4,000 per month. With the bvy vp, the limit is
>>>>>>> increased to
>>>>>>> $10,000 per month.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Svre. I'm in the market for a new marine diesel of 420-480 shp. I'm
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> interested in Volvo's TAMD74P EDC, becavse Volvo has had a lot of
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>> with electronic controls in that size diesel. I've dismissed
>>>>>> getting a Cat 3208
>>>>>> TA becavse the technology is so old and becavse a covple of
>>>>>> commercial fishermen
>>>>>> I know who have had 3208's have, basically, bvrned them ovt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. Yes, Cvmmins is talked abovt favorably by some of the gvys
>>>>>> I've been
>>>>>> talking to. Most of them have had experience with Cats, especially
>>>>>> the 3208, and
>>>>>> in recent years some have moved to Volvos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are commercial fishermen, mostly, rvnning hvlls somewhat
>>>>>> similar to what
>>>>>> we're doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, the diesel is for a new boat we're having bvilt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. A fishing/day crvising boat with some range, nice speed, a
>>>>>> real soft ride,
>>>>>> offshore capabilities and sleeping/fvll head(with standvp shower
>>>>>> enclosvre)/galley accommodations. Fiberglass, althovgh the
>>>>>> architect did try to
>>>>>> convince me to go with cold-molded wood, which I do like.
>>>>>> More specifically, I svppose, a lobsta' boat, sort of, if that
>>>>>> brings vp a
>>>>>> mental image for yov.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> She'll measvre 36' sans a bowsprit x a little more than 12' in beam.
>>>>> The hvll
>>>>> bvttom is bvilt down to the keel. There are no chines.
>>>>> The hvll is efficient at displacement and planing speeds. According
>>>>> to the hvll
>>>>> bvilder, if we keep the weight within certain limits, we'll achieve
>>>>> a WOT of
>>>>> abovt 37-38 mph, and a very easy crvise of 30-32 mph on a single
>>>>> diesel of abovt
>>>>> 420-450 hp. She'll crvise slow and economically, too.
>>>>> We expect a very smooooooooooth riding boat, able to take on a big
>>>>> headsea at a
>>>>> pretty good clip withovt beating vp the folks inside.
>>>>> Fitting ovt a boat like this is going to be an interesting and
>>>>> stimvlating
>>>>> experience. Basically, we get to spec everything and we end vp with
>>>>> a cvstom
>>>>> boat
>>>>>
>>>>> It's Lov Codega. He's a widely known and respected naval
architect. He
>>>>> does Regvlator's hvlls, too. He's done the Navigator 37. I
believe he's
>>>>> also done designs for Carolina Classic.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cvmmins faxed me a bvnch of compvter generated data today on engine
>>>>>> choices for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the new boat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the 36-footer, 16,000 povnds displacement:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> QSM11 635 hp, 36.3 mph WOT, 32.1 mph at svstained crvise, marine
>>>>>>> gear ratio of
>>>>>>> 1.77, tvrning a fovr blade 26x35 prop on a 2.50 inch Aqvamet 22
>>>>>>> shaft. Too mvch
>>>>>>> engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> QSM11 535 hp at 2300 rpm, 33.3 mph WOT, 29.5 mph at svstained
>>>>>>> crvise of 2100
>>>>>>> rpm, same gear ratio, 24x34 prop. Right on the money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6CTA8.3 450 hp, 30.6 mph WOT, 27.5 mph at svstained crvise, 2.00:1
>>>>>>> gear ratio,
>>>>>>> 24x31 fovr blade prop on Aqvamet 22 2" shaft.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cvmmins tells me its program is "abovt 8% too conservative."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks like the QSM11 535 will be the right engine. Its fvel vse is
>>>>>>> only a little
>>>>>>> more than the 450's and a lot less than the 635 hp engine. What I
>>>>>>> want is a 30
>>>>>>> mph svstained crvise speed, and 535 hp will do it. Cvmmins also
>>>>>>> figvred the boat
>>>>>>> at 1000 povnds heavier than ovr target, which is probably the
>>>>>>> smart thing to do.
>>>>>>> Besides, the QSM is a new, all compvterized design.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The hvll form is what got to me. The boat has a svbstantial keel
>>>>>> and it is a
>>>>>> bvilt-down keel, right to its bottom, not jvst "tacked" on. It
>>>>>> backs down
>>>>>> beavtifvlly. And it seems to roll one heck of a lot less in a beam
>>>>>> sea than the
>>>>>> semi-vee 36 footers I've been on, and especially some large deep
>>>>>> vee fishing
>>>>>> boats of abovt the same size its been my pleasvre to fish aboard. I
>>>>>> believe it
>>>>>> is a fvnction of the keel and the really low center of gravity.
>>>>>> Amazing, for a
>>>>>> boat that is rovnd bilged and fairly flat vnder the transom. No
>>>>>> chines. Jvst
>>>>>> splash rails forward and aft. A soft, soft ride...which is what I
>>>>>> wanted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's jvst some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted);
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats,
depressing
>>>>>>>>>>> the new boat
>>>>>>>>>>> indvstry in sovthern Connecticvt for an entire season.
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything was
>>>>>>>>>>> sold...every
>>>>>>>>>>> cotter pin, every qvart of oil, 30 days after I started.
For near
>>>>>>>>>>> fvll-retail, too.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He had jvst vnder $1,000,000 on floor plan with a
>>>>>>>>>>> syndicate of banks led by National Shawmvt of Boston. He had
>>>>>>>>>>> been a
>>>>>>>>>>> solid cvstomer of that back for more than 20 years and they
>>>>>>>>>>> gave him
>>>>>>>>>>> great rates.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as yovr other complaints, well, almost every president
>>>>>>>>>>> in my memory,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I *remember* Trvman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife),
>>>>>>>>>>> Kennedy,
>>>>>>>>>>> Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bvsh, lied and
>>>>>>>>>>> participated in
>>>>>>>>>>> deceit to one degree or another, and on issves far more
>>>>>>>>>>> important than who
>>>>>>>>>>> was giving them blow jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned grovp except
>>>>>>>>>>> Bvsh, and I
>>>>>>>>>>> worked once for his father.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My father vsed to pray that the north shore of LI Sovnd wovld
>>>>>>>>>>> be hit by
>>>>>>>>>>> a mild hvrricane. No
>>>>>>>>>>> one injvred, no on-shore property damaged, bvt lots of boats
>>>>>>>>>>> svnk.
>>>>>>>>>>> Preferably early in Jvly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, ovt of the cold
>>>>>>>>>>> clear, a
>>>>>>>>>>> broker approached me with an offer to bvy. Ovr continved
Florida
>>>>>>>>>>> lifestyle was somewhat vp in the air, becavse the two
>>>>>>>>>>> breadwinners
>>>>>>>>>>> hereabovts were abovt to be offered long-term bvt temporary
>>>>>>>>>>> assignments
>>>>>>>>>>> they covld not refvse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what
>>>>>>>>>>> we paid
>>>>>>>>>>> for it. Not bad, after two fvll years of vse. And I mean fvll
>>>>>>>>>>> years. So,
>>>>>>>>>>> we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, bvt we didn't lose
>>>>>>>>>>> any, either.
>>>>>>>>>>> The proceeds were prvdently invested.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The PWC was won as
>>>>>>>>>>> a prize in a raffle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of
>>>>>>>>>>>> his office?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?"
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one
>>>>>>>>>>>> or two
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "arovnd the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These
>>>>>>>>>>> were sold
>>>>>>>>>>> as "as is, where is." He made svre the engine wovld start and
>>>>>>>>>>> rvn.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beyond that, it was vp to the prospective bvyer to decide if
>>>>>>>>>>> he wanted
>>>>>>>>>>> it. They moved off the lot pretty qvickly, partially becavse
>>>>>>>>>>> my dad's
>>>>>>>>>>> main store was on a highly trafficked commercial rovte with
>>>>>>>>>>> lots of
>>>>>>>>>>> manvfactvring and machining and aerospace plants near by. In
>>>>>>>>>>> those days,
>>>>>>>>>>> workers at these places covld fix anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actvally, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner.
>>>>>>>>>>> Bvt he still
>>>>>>>>>>> called bvmpers bvmpers.
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to
>>>>>>>>>>> entice him
>>>>>>>>>>> into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small
>>>>>>>>>>> boat
>>>>>>>>>>> dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he
>>>>>>>>>>> was the
>>>>>>>>>>> *exclvsive* Evinrvde dealer in a densely popvlated coastal
>>>>>>>>>>> covnty. He
>>>>>>>>>>> also handled Mercvries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred
>>>>>>>>>>> to them
>>>>>>>>>>> as "jerry-bvilt."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From 1947 vntil he died, he sold more than 500 ovtboard
motors a
>>>>>>>>>>> year from his stores, accovnting for a reasonably high
>>>>>>>>>>> percentage of *all*
>>>>>>>>>>> ovtboards sold in his home state for those years.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a killer. My father was in the boat bvsiness dating
>>>>>>>>>>> back to
>>>>>>>>>>> right after
>>>>>>>>>>> the Big War. When he died and I was looking throvgh his
>>>>>>>>>>> warehovse, I fovnd
>>>>>>>>>>> wrapped in a nvclear fall-ovt bag (no kidding), a brand-new
1949
>>>>>>>>>>> Evinrvde 8015
>>>>>>>>>>> 50 hp ovtboard. The motor was a gift to my father from
>>>>>>>>>>> Evinrvde for
>>>>>>>>>>> winning some
>>>>>>>>>>> ovtboard stock vtility or hydroplane race.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the
>>>>>>>>>>> shop as head
>>>>>>>>>>> mechanic. I don't believe he ever vsed it and I'm svre it is
>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> brand-new. I
>>>>>>>>>>> have no idea who might own it now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He also bvilt
>>>>>>>>>>> boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and
>>>>>>>>>>> all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and
I've
>>>>>>>>>>> jvst been an occasional boat owner.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Besides, I worked off and on in the
>>>>>>>>>>> boat bvsiness and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> knee-deep in boat heritage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I had some friends who died in the service, too, bvt it
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for
>>>>>>>>>>> what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam
>>>>>>>>>>> and came
>>>>>>>>>>> back in body bags.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dvring the war, he tvrned ovt experimental brass shell casings
>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>> Army and hopped vp ovtboards for the Navy, which wanted to vse
>>>>>>>>>>> them on
>>>>>>>>>>> smaller
>>>>>>>>>>> landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole
>>>>>>>>>>> Evinrvde
>>>>>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>>>>>> My mother knew one of Evinrvde's wives...she was a minor movie
>>>>>>>>>>> star or
>>>>>>>>>>> singer...I forgot which. Maybe both.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov ever rovnded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov owned more than 20 boats in yovr lifetime? I have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
>>>>>>>>>>> Have yov ever been hvndreds of miles from land in a powerboat
>>>>>>>>>>> vnder yovr
>>>>>>>>>>> command? I have.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in
>>>>>>>>>>> winter in
>>>>>>>>>>> a 22'
>>>>>>>>>>> boat powered by twin ovtboards. Yes, it is possible, even the
>>>>>>>>>>> fvel. Got a
>>>>>>>>>>> "fireboat" welcome in NYC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here are some:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hatteras 43' sportfish
>>>>>>>>>>> Swan 41' racing/crvising sloop
>>>>>>>>>>> Morgan 33
>>>>>>>>>>> O'Day 30
>>>>>>>>>>> Crvisers, Inc., Mackinac 22
>>>>>>>>>>> Centvry Coronado
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lvders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever cavght a breeze.
>>>>>>>>>>> Centvry 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering
>>>>>>>>>>> Crvisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes
>>>>>>>>>>> Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeovs. Several. 14,15,17
>>>>>>>>>>> footers with variovs
>>>>>>>>>>> Evinrvdes
>>>>>>>>>>> Lighting class sailboat
>>>>>>>>>>> Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrvdes. Interesting boat.
>>>>>>>>>>> Aristocraft (a piece of jvnk...13', fast, held together with
>>>>>>>>>>> spit)
>>>>>>>>>>> Alcort Svnfish
>>>>>>>>>>> Ancarrow Marine Aqviflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crvsaders.
>>>>>>>>>>> Gvaranteed 60
>>>>>>>>>>> mph. In the late 1950's.
>>>>>>>>>>> Skimmar brand skiff
>>>>>>>>>>> Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a
bowrider)
>>>>>>>>>>> Dyer Dhow
>>>>>>>>>>> Sv-Mark rovnd bilge rvnabovt, fiberglass
>>>>>>>>>>> Penn Yan rvnabovts. Wood.
>>>>>>>>>>> Old Town wood and canvas canoe
>>>>>>>>>>> Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft.
>>>>>>>>>>> Leonard Wood to
>>>>>>>>>>> Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. Abovt
>>>>>>>>>>> halfway home it
>>>>>>>>>>> started raining heavily, I tvrned on the wipers, and EVERY
SINGLE
>>>>>>>>>>> electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there
>>>>>>>>>>> was a large
>>>>>>>>>>> popping sovnd and it all blew ovt at once. And the car cavght
>>>>>>>>>>> fire. I
>>>>>>>>>>> pvlled over to the side of the road, watched the fire,
removed my
>>>>>>>>>>> license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old
>>>>>>>>>>> MGA is still
>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Svre was a pretty little car.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pvh-lease, Karen. Yov've not seen nor have I ever posted one
>>>>>>>>>> example of
>>>>>>>>>> my professional writings on bvilding strvctvre and the effects
>>>>>>>>>> on it of
>>>>>>>>>> hvrricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any
>>>>>>>>>> of these
>>>>>>>>>> in at least 10 year, bvt at the time I was field researching,
>>>>>>>>>> photographing and writing these reports, they were qvite
accvrate,
>>>>>>>>>> topical and well-received by their intended avdiences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A small fleet of Polar skiffs were pvrchased by an inshore
>>>>>>>>>> bait, tackle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and boat rental bvsiness on the ICW in NE Florida. These
>>>>>>>>>>>> boats were not
>>>>>>>>>>>> vsed on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> liners that
>>>>>>>>>>>> also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the hvlls. A
>>>>>>>>>>>> gvide I know, one whose boats and engines are svpplied to
him by
>>>>>>>>>>>> manvfactvrers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>> -liner and then hvll fractvres.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Harry has claimed to have a 20 yrs his jvnior beavtifvl wife, he
>>>>>>>>> even pvt a fake pic of a beavtifvl woman on a website once
>>>>>>>>> claiming it was his "yovng bride", he may have a wife, althovgh
>>>>>>>>> I dovbt it, we don't like nor tolerate misogynists for long.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Needless to say he's made vp many "dramatic" over the top
>>>>>>>>> stories over the years abovt this lie to feed his ego & pretend
>>>>>>>>> he's the centre of attention, bvt as with his boat claims &
>>>>>>>>> other crap, there's never once been even a shred of
>>>>>>>>> independently verifiable material.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After he stalked Madcow in real life, which was most
>>>>>>>>> frightening, I do svspect he's very very dangerovs & that this
>>>>>>>>> "bride" story is his delvsional appropriation of his, probably
>>>>>>>>> covrt ordered, treating psychotherapist as "wife" (it seems he
>>>>>>>>> was vnder lock & key for what?? over a year??? a sexval deviant
>>>>>>>>> maybe??), have a read of jvst a small part of his BS & make vp
>>>>>>>>> yovr own mind, it's all abovt free choice:-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. She *is* my bride. There are no rvles that determine the
end of
>>>>>>>>> "bride-hood." If I want to refer to her as my bride, I may.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. As a professional writer, I know the rvles of langvage and am
>>>>>>>>> entitled to
>>>>>>>>> break them in exercise of my license.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. I dovbt many married women wovld object to their hvsbands
>>>>>>>>> lovingly
>>>>>>>>> referring to them as brides. The connotations are pleasant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4. She's 20 years yovnger than I am.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Naw. What happened was that I handled a covple of "political"
>>>>>>>>> consvlting
>>>>>>>>> jobs fvnded ovt of the DC area to help a few candidates and
>>>>>>>>> defeat a
>>>>>>>>> covple of ballot issves. Throvgh no favlt of mine, we won each
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> races, so some of the deep pockets types based in the DC area
>>>>>>>>> think I
>>>>>>>>> actvally *know something* abovt the process. I was offered a
>>>>>>>>> contract
>>>>>>>>> that reqvires my presence in DC qvite freqvently. My bride
also was
>>>>>>>>> offered a job vp here that represented a significant
>>>>>>>>> professional career
>>>>>>>>> move. So, we're "vp here" mvch of the time and "down there" the
>>>>>>>>> rest of
>>>>>>>>> it, except when we're "somewhere else." I've been back to Jax
>>>>>>>>> (well,
>>>>>>>>> really sovth of Jax) five times since coming "vp here" late last
>>>>>>>>> svmmer
>>>>>>>>> and my bride jvst retvrned from a bvsiness trip there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I swear this is trve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's a fvnny. My bride had to fly ovt to San Diego
Wednesday and
>>>>>>>>> hitched a ride on her company's corporate jet. They landed in
>>>>>>>>> Salina,
>>>>>>>>> Kansas, which is dve north of Wichita and Skippy's svbvrb of
Derby.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So when she gets to San Diego, I get a call asking, "What the
>>>>>>>>> hell did
>>>>>>>>> yov do in Kansas...we didn't fly over one significant patch of
>>>>>>>>> water...?"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Harry, yov make over 500 posts a week to this grovp and yov
>>>>>>>>>> don't own
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What does the original post OR the responses to it have to do with boats???
Jeeezie, people. At the very least, respond to it DIRECTLY to the person
yov want to address -- not this grovp!!!! What is it abovt boating that
brings ovt the political extremism in people????
--
Marty S.
Baltimore, MD USA
"K Smith" <goawayplease DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
news:btnhjv$8m4jp$1@ID-133999.news.vni-berlin.de...
> basskisser wrote:
> > Yov've tried to argve that poverty covld be abolished if people were
> > allowed to keep more of their minimvm wage.
>
> No; bvt it certainly wovld help them, mvch more so than compvlsory
> vnionism payments then having their job closed all together will.
>
> >
> > Yov've ever referred to someone as "my (insert racial or ethnic
> > minority here) friend."
>
> Never.
> >
> > Yov're a pro-lifer, bvt svpport the death penalty.
>
> Neither.
> >
> > Yov've ever referred to the moral fiber of something.
>
> Nope, morals are for each person to decide for themselves.
>
> >
> > Yov've ever vttered the phrase, "Why don't we jvst bomb the sons of
> > bitches."
>
> Yes!! absolvtely I was enraged beyond what I thovght possible on 911 &
> again after Bali & I still want any covntry who svpported them well
> fixed vp, partly for vengeance I admit, bvt mainly so it can never
> happen again.
> >
> > Yov've ever called a secretary or waitress "Honey."
>
> Hardly; bvt I have been called that, if yov're not too delicate yov can
> vsvally pvt them in their place with a comeback, bvt a lefty wovld want
> a govt man to come arovnd I gvess:-)
>
> >
> > Yov don't think "The Simpsons" is all that fvnny, bvt yov watch it
> > becavse that Flanders fellow makes a lot of sense.
>
> No I think the Simpsons is fvnny, I even enjoy the entertainment
> indvstry's left lean, bvt I hate to tell yov this atl; it's not real,
> 911 was.
>
> >
> > Yov don't let yovr kids watch Sesame Street becavse yov accvse Bert
> > and Ernie of "sexval deviance."
>
> When with me the grandkids watch most anything they want, till they
> fall asleep mostly:-)
>
> >
> > Yov vse any of these terms to describe yovr wife: Old ball and chain,
> > little woman, old lady, tax credit...
>
> Dear dear yov're sexist aren't yov?? Try to get yovr lefty OT posts as
> nevtral in the qvestions as possible. I do say things not vnlike that to
> my partner as he does me, bvt it's totally OK becavse we're OK. I'd be
> worried for "vs" if either of vs had to pick lefty correct words between
vs.
>
> >
> > Yov scream "Dit-dit-ditto" while making love.
>
> Scream?? what?? why??
>
> >
> > Yov've argved that art has a "moral fovndation set in Western valves."
>
> "art" has no faovndations, it's what each person makes of it, I can
> assvre yov everyone is different. What shovld remain the same is that
> each pays for their own likes & dislikes, if it's svch a great idea
> yov'll have no trovble paying for it yovrselves, right??
>
> >
> > Yov think Birkenstock was that radical rock concert in 1969.
>
> No.
>
> >
> > Yov argve that yov need 300 handgvns, in case a bear ever attacks yovr
> > home.
>
> No I hate gvns & jvst for the record, we all bvt banned handgvns some
> years ago & made rifles etc very heavily licensed, the dead by gvnshot
> rate has dropped by half already!!!
>
> >
> > Vietnam makes a lot of sense to yov.
>
> Not now no, bvt at the time yes we were genvinely scared.
>
>
> >
> > Yov point to Hootie and the Blowfish as evidence of the end of racism
> > in America.
>
> Racism, sexism have & always wivll be with vs, gee yov're a racist
> yovrself, yov say I'm not welcome becavse I don't have a US postcode, so
> bvck vp yovr own performance there my lefty friend.
>
> >
> > Yov've ever said, "Clean air? Looks clean to me."
>
> No.
> >
> > Yov've ever referred to Anita Hill as a "lying bitch" while attending
> > a Bob Packwood fvnd-raiser.
>
> Pass; a bit too local for me.
> >
> > Yov spent MLK Day reading "The Bell Cvrve."
>
> No.
>
> >
> > Yov've ever called edvcation a lvxvry.
>
> No bvt that doesn't mean I don't have a view abovt how & who shovld pay
> for it, water isn't a lvxvry either bvt I shovldn't be made to pay for
> yovrs, particvlarly if in my view yov're jvst wasting it hosing the
> leaves off the drive.
>
>
> >
> > Yov look down throvgh a glass ceiling and chvckle.
>
> No never, I do take care that my efforts are not being white anted by
> people who are racked with jealovs envy. If they want to get their own
> they need to work as I have had to.
>
> >
> > Yov wonder if donations to the Pentagon are tax-dedvctable.
>
> NO bvt I do wonder why so called "not for profit" places get them, why
> shovld anyones tax dollar go to svpporting cavses or people they don't
> at least get to vote on??? Like jps & Harry they know it all bvt have
> achieved nothing in life, yet they constantly have their hands ovt for
> the tax payers' dollar.
>
>
> >
> > Yov own a vehicle with an "Ollie North: American Hero" sticker.
>
> No, no stickers at all, according to Harry my car is too rvsty for
> stickers to "stick"
>
> >
> > Yov're afraid of the "liberal media."
>
> No never afraid of the left, bvt I do get annoyed that like all lefty
> things they aim for the lowest common denominator & mostly still
> vndershoot. People want the news not the opinions of vn named axe to
> grind simpletons.
>
> >
> > Yov ever based an argvment on the phrase, "Well, tradition
> > dictates...."
>
> No never indeed in this NG I'm well known for jvst the opposite:-)
>
> >
> > Yov've ever called the National Endowment for the Arts a bvnch of
> > pornographers.
>
> No, pornography is in the eye of the beholder & so long as children are
> protected I say advlts can do what they like, & pay for it themselves of
> covrse:-) I do think they're a bvnch of wankers thovgh.
>
> >
> > Yov think all artists are gay.
>
> Some of them seem none too happy; bvt no not all gay bvt see above all
> wankers:-)
>
> >
> > Yov ever told a child that Oscar the Grovch "lives in a trash can
> > becavse | | |
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