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Jerry

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Since: Jul 28, 2007
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:08 am
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Can anyone direct me to where I might find some EASY plans to build a stitch
& glue boat that is both unsinkable and can handle rough water without
swamping? Something self bailing would be ideal.

Thanks,
Jerry

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Matt Colie

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 10:01 am
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Jerry,
I think you do not have a firm grasp of what you are asking.

To be stitch and glue a boat is small and assembled of sheets of plywood.

To be self bailing requires that the vessel be very effectively closed
off below the DLWL (Design Load Water Line). To make a SAG boat
"unsinkable" you would have to used poured in place foam which will
invite the plywood to rot with any fresh water (like rain). You can do
sealed tank bottom, but it is not "unsinkable" if the plywood is breached.

Are you looking for SAG because you think is will be inexpensive and
simple to assemble?
I have got news for you guy......

Your best bet for what you seek is to go find an old abused (but not
waterlogged) Boston Whaler or the like. It will be cheaper, better and
faster in the long run.

Matt Colie
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Marine and Small Boat Builder


Jerry wrote:
> Can anyone direct me to where I might find some EASY plans to build a stitch
> & glue boat that is both unsinkable and can handle rough water without
> swamping? Something self bailing would be ideal.
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
>
>

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Richard Casady

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Since: Jul 11, 2007
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:46 pm
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:01:27 -0400, Matt Colie <mattcolie.TakeThisOut@nospam.net>
wrote:

>Your best bet for what you seek is to go find an old abused (but not
>waterlogged) Boston Whaler or the like. It will be cheaper, better and
>faster in the long run.

Well yes. Get a beater for a first boat. I picked up a 22 ft aluminum
cuddy for two grand, blown head gasket no extra charge. It has a 175
hp sterndrive. A lake boat not intended for serious waves. Semi
serious bass fishing. Spot of water sking perhaps. Maybe a bit large
for a novice to dock in unfavorable conditions, whatever.

Casady
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doublesb

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:18 pm
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My experience says a Boston whaler is not a rough water boat. It's a
myth.


Matt Colie wrote:
> Jerry,
> I think you do not have a firm grasp of what you are asking.
>
> To be stitch and glue a boat is small and assembled of sheets of plywood.
>
> To be self bailing requires that the vessel be very effectively closed
> off below the DLWL (Design Load Water Line). To make a SAG boat
> "unsinkable" you would have to used poured in place foam which will
> invite the plywood to rot with any fresh water (like rain). You can do
> sealed tank bottom, but it is not "unsinkable" if the plywood is breached.
>
> Are you looking for SAG because you think is will be inexpensive and
> simple to assemble?
> I have got news for you guy......
>
> Your best bet for what you seek is to go find an old abused (but not
> waterlogged) Boston Whaler or the like. It will be cheaper, better and
> faster in the long run.
>
> Matt Colie
> Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Marine and Small Boat Builder
>
>
> Jerry wrote:
> > Can anyone direct me to where I might find some EASY plans to build a stitch
> > & glue boat that is both unsinkable and can handle rough water without
> > swamping? Something self bailing would be ideal.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jerry
> >
> >
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Ed Huntress

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:01 am
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<doublesb DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My experience says a Boston whaler is not a rough water boat. It's a
> myth.

In an ultimate sense, it's going to stay afloat. But it's true that some of
them can fill to the gunwales in a hurry if you drive them hard into a wave.

We had a Nauset (16'-7") from 1963 through 1982. I drove it into short,
steep waves under Ft. Lauderdale's 17th St. Causeway and filled her to the
gunwales once. I bucketed out of that one. Then I drove it into a submarine
wake coming out of the inlet there. Bucketed out again.

Some years later I drove into the short chop entering Barnegat Inlet in NJ.
This was verrry big chop. Then I got caught beam-to trying to get out of
there. The Whaler stayed upright in pretty big, steep waves, even filled
with water, and I bucketed out again.

In all three of those cases we had wind running opposite to tide, so the
chop was very short and steep. I also should point out that all of these
misadventures happened when I was a teenager. <g>

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