Safety glass for boat windows

"Ron Thornton" writes:

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 > Any reason why I wouldn't want to use auto glass in a boat?
<snip>

Possibly might be a problem.

Most auto safety glass will shatter into small pieces when hit, leaving a
major hole if used on a boat.

OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
would simply crack when hit.

Might be some sharp shards of glass on the deck, but no major hole for water
to enter.

Talk to somebody in the glass business.

HTH


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Maybe lucite or plexiglass?

Polycarb?
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:51:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
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 >
 >
 >OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
 >would simply crack when hit.

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Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion little
pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of glass,
with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it breaks.
Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
breaks so that they are not as sharp.

Brian

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 > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:51:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
 > <lewhodgett DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
 >
  > >
  > >
  > >OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
  > >would simply crack when hit.
 >
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:55:01 -0500 (EST), gourt.RemoveThis@webtv.net (Ron
Thornton) sent into the ether:

 >Someone recently was asking about what material to replace windows with.
 >That got me thinking today as I got into my '90 YJ Jeep, that the
 >windshield would be a good candidate for the center cabin windows in my
 >Irwin 37. Nice and flat. Its rectangular which I like better than the
 >stream lined profile that's in there now. I'll have to go to the boat
 >to measure if it's long enough. I don't think I would mount it the way
 >it is on the Jeep cause pop out windows are probably not a good feature
 >on a boat.
 >
 >The glass out of the back doors of a panel truck is usually flat and
 >might be a good choice for a windshield.
 >
 >Any reason why I wouldn't want to use auto glass in a boat?
 >
 >Ron


Nope, as long as you follow a few simple rules.

Laminated glass in US auto windshields is designed to break, but hold
together and not let you penetrate it. In Europe, I think, the
windshields have a second lamination on the inside to minimize cuts.
Side auto windows are made from a single sheet of tempered glass.
Generally you do not want tempered glass where you might impact it,
like in a windshield, as you may incur consideral impact damage to
your head and body. Tempered glass is not unbreakable, but takes much
more force to shatter than non-tempered or laminated glass.

Then again, you may want to take your demensions to a glass shop and
ask about getting laminated and tempered glass made to fit your needs.
Laminated glass takes experience to cut without breaking it and
tempered cannot be cut without shattering it.

You can even get laminated glass made with one or more tempered
pieces. One more thing, all glass, but especially tempered glass is
vulnerable to breakage by hitting/tapping/bumping the edge.

Hopes this helps.
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:12:31 GMT, "Brian D"
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 >Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion little
 >pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of glass,
 >with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it breaks.
 >Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
 >into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
 >breaks so that they are not as sharp.
 >
 >Brian
Brian,
When did they change tempered glass? Tempered glass breaks into rock
salt sized piece and laminated glass, as used in windshields, breaks
as you decribe. Easy to mix up the two :<} BTW, both are referred to
as safety glass.
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Thanks
I thought that windshields were still laminated.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:12:31 GMT, "Brian D"
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 >Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion little
 >pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of glass,
 >with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it breaks.
 >Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
 >into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
 >breaks so that they are not as sharp.
 >
 >Brian
 >
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  >> On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:51:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
  >> <lewhodgett.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
  >>
   >> >
   >> >
   >> >OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
   >> >would simply crack when hit.
  >>
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"Safety glass" is laminated, and is used in all automobile windshields.
Tempered glass is the stuff that breaks into a million small pieces on heavy
impact, and is used in side and back glasses in autos. Safety glass is
stocked and can be cut at pretty much any glass shop. Tempered has to be cut
to size, then sent to a tempering company for treatment.

Safety glass is used in lots of boats. One of the best things you can put
in, is a sandwich of two sheets of tempered glass laminated like safety
glass. If it DOES break, the lamination keeps all the pieces together. If
anyone is interested, I can post a source, but be forewarned, it's
EXPENSIVE!

"Lew Hodgett" <lewhodgett.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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 >
 > "Ron Thornton" writes:
 >
 > <snip>
  > > Any reason why I wouldn't want to use auto glass in a boat?
 > <snip>
 >
 > Possibly might be a problem.
 >
 > Most auto safety glass will shatter into small pieces when hit, leaving a
 > major hole if used on a boat.
 >
 > OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
 > would simply crack when hit.
 >
 > Might be some sharp shards of glass on the deck, but no major hole for
water
 > to enter.
 >
 > Talk to somebody in the glass business.
 >
 > HTH
 >
 >
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That's not right. Mylar is not the middle layer of safety glass. Tempered is
used in side and back glass, NOT windshields. Safety glass is used in
windsheilds so it helps absorb impact. I used to work in the glass industry.

"Brian D" <briandNS RemoveThis @advantagecomposites.comNS> wrote in message
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 > Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion
little
 > pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of
glass,
 > with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it breaks.
 > Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
 > into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
 > breaks so that they are not as sharp.
 >
 > Brian
 >
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  > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:51:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
  > > <lewhodgett RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
  > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for
automobiles,
   > > >would simply crack when hit.
  > >
  > > What kind of glass do they use in windshields on the new cars?
 >
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Brian's giving you the correct basic information, but has the terminology
just a bit wrong .

It's "tempered" glass that "dices" into a zillion pieces when broken,. It is
used for the side windows of automobiles, for shower doors, patio doors,
etc. Notably, tempered glass is much stronger against wind load and impact
than plain annealed glass.

"Laminated" glass, used in windshields, skylights, security doors, etc.,
contains two or more layers of glass bonded to a plastic interlayer. The
glass is usueally annealed, but can also be tempered or heat-treated.

See <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.alumaxbath.com/tech/tgp.htm" target="_blank">http://www.alumaxbath.com/tech/tgp.htm</a> for tempered glass, and
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.saflex.com/pages/about/" target="_blank">http://www.saflex.com/pages/about/</a> for laminated glass.

Alex

"Brian D" <briandNS DeleteThis @advantagecomposites.comNS> wrote in message
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 > Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion
little
 > pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of
glass,
 > with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it breaks.
 > Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
 > into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
 > breaks so that they are not as sharp.
 >
 > Brian
 >
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  > > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:51:41 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
  > > <lewhodgett DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
  > >
   > > >
   > > >
   > > >OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for
automobiles,
   > > >would simply crack when hit.
  > >
  > > What kind of glass do they use in windshields on the new cars?
 >
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Ah, good point about the "big hole" problem. My installation is on the
dodger and wouldn't compromise the interior if it broke. Many good
opening ports use glass - albeit in small sizes. However, I think the
area of most auto glass would be too large for the glass thickness to
withstand much bashing with waves, especially if it were flat.

Rufus

Lew Hodgett wrote:

 > "Ron Thornton" writes:
 >
 > <snip>
 >
  >>Any reason why I wouldn't want to use auto glass in a boat?
 >
 > <snip>
 >
 > Possibly might be a problem.
 >
 > Most auto safety glass will shatter into small pieces when hit, leaving a
 > major hole if used on a boat.
 >
 > OTOH, laminated safety glass, while abandoned years ago for automobiles,
 > would simply crack when hit.
 >
 > Might be some sharp shards of glass on the deck, but no major hole for water
 > to enter.
 >
 > Talk to somebody in the glass business.
 >
 > HTH
 >
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Probably got my terminology wrong. I think that all safety glass is
tempered, but the names are different ...if you describe what you want,
you'll get it. Diamond-Seaglaze knows ...

Brian


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 > On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 07:12:31 GMT, "Brian D"
 > <briandNS.DeleteThis@advantagecomposites.comNS> sent into the ether:
 >
  > >Tempered safety glass. It breaks in long cracks instead of a zillion
little
  > >pieces. This is OK because the windshield is made from two layers of
glass,
  > >with a layer of mylar in between to hold the mess together when it
breaks.
  > >Side and rear windows are 'safety glass', which is the stuff that breaks
  > >into a zillion little pieces, but have relatively rounded corners in the
  > >breaks so that they are not as sharp.
  > >
  > >Brian
 > Brian,
 > When did they change tempered glass? Tempered glass breaks into rock
 > salt sized piece and laminated glass, as used in windshields, breaks
 > as you decribe. Easy to mix up the two :<} BTW, both are referred to
 > as safety glass.
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