Small sail boat advice

"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised RemoveThis @askme.com> wrote in message >
 > This is exactly what you are looking for:
 >
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 >
 > Later,
 >

Ah...you wacky 'mericans!

Here's what a sensible Canuck would recommend...
a CL 16....or a Wayfarer dinghy. very similar boats.
Lots of 2nd hand boats available in central Canada and a number of American
owners also frequent the CL newsgroup.
see... <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/" target="_blank">http://www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/</a> and
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sailboatsales.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sailboatsales.com/</a>
If you decide to overnight....the CL family used to manufacture my boat the
Sandpiper 565 (lots used ones in central Canada - cheap in US $.)<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On 26 Mar 2005 19:49:45 -0800, "Ummmmm" <dbp DeleteThis @cape.com> wrote:

 >Hi. My old Sunfish died last winter --

I had one of these when I was 4. Nice little boats.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:10:21 GMT, "Don White"
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 >
 >"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.RemoveThis@askme.com> wrote in message >
  >> This is exactly what you are looking for:
  >>
<font color=green>  >> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/4dao4</font" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/4dao4</font</a>>
  >>
  >> Later,
  >>
 >
 >Ah...you wacky 'mericans!

Don't word of the day - wacky. :>)

 >Here's what a sensible Canuck would recommend...
 >a CL 16....or a Wayfarer dinghy. very similar boats.
 >Lots of 2nd hand boats available in central Canada and a number of American
 >owners also frequent the CL newsgroup.
 >see... <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/" target="_blank">http://www.vaxxine.com/clsailboats/</a> and
 >http://www.sailboatsales.com/
 >If you decide to overnight....the CL family used to manufacture my boat the
 >Sandpiper 565 (lots used ones in central Canada - cheap in US $.)

There are folks in my family who want to investigate adding a sail
boat to the Short Wave fleet.

I'm considering one of those Sandpipers actually.

Later,

Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Ummmmm" <dbp.DeleteThis@cape.com> wrote in message
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 > Hi. My old Sunfish died last winter -- the transom has been patched
 > one time too many, finally fell off completely, so I am looking for a
 > new boat to replace it. I can get another Sunfish easily enough, but
 > I'd like to consider other options. The ones I have found are the
 > Vanguard Pico Plus, and the Esacpe Rumba / Escape 12. Anybody out
 > there have any experience with these, any other small sailboat (besides
 > the Sunfish) that I should look at?
 >
 > I am a 230 lb, middle aged, not-so-athletic-anymore guy, with wife and
 > 7 year old kid. It'd be nice to get us all on the boat, maybe,
 > sometimes. Usually it's just me and the kid. We live on Cape Cod
 > (windy), usually sail in ponds or harbors.
 >
 > Any advice at all would be appreciated. Thanks.
 >

I'd vote for this:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/gallery.php?model=hobie16&img_num=16&res=lr" target="_blank">http://www.hobiecat.com/sailing/gallery.php?model=hobie16&img_num=16&res=lr</a>

A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out a
few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll over.
Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted me
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote in message >
 > There are folks in my family who want to investigate adding a sail
 > boat to the Short Wave fleet.
 >
 > I'm considering one of those Sandpipers actually.
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom

if you plan on drysailing off a trailer...or beaching etc....very
practical..
.....if you plan on leaving it in the water all season, I'd also look at a
shoal keelboat like the Catalina (Capri) 18.
very similar in size & weight , except cockpit longer on the Capri and an
open cabin floor vs. the awkwark centerboard trunk on the 'Piper.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 >
 > A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out a
 > few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
over.
 > Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted me
 > to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.
 >
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"Steven Shelikoff" <shelikoff RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
 > <white RemoveThis @nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
 >
  >>
  >>"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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   >>>
   >>> A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out
   >>> a
   >>> few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
  >>over.
   >>> Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted
   >>> me
   >>> to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.
   >>>
  >>Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.
 >
 > It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
 > capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
 > capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
 > possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
 > little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
 > winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
 > sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.
 >
 > Steve

Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if they're
not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in a
boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got a
PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
automatic and absolute.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:10:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
<ancientangler.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 >"Steven Shelikoff" <shelikoff.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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  >> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
  >> <white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
  >>
   >>>
   >>>"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
   >>>news:Oqz1e.1939$VF6.902@news02.roc.ny...
   >>>>
   >>>> A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me out
   >>>> a
   >>>> few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
   >>>over.
   >>>> Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he wanted
   >>>> me
   >>>> to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.
   >>>>
   >>>Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.
  >>
  >> It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
  >> capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
  >> capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
  >> possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
  >> little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
  >> winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
  >> sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.
  >>
  >> Steve
 >
 >Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
 >trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if they're
 >not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in a
 >boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got a
 >PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
 >automatic and absolute.

Totally agree with you Doug.

Later,

Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:54:43 -0500, HKrause <harry.krause RemoveThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

 >Might want to consider one of these beauties, made almost in your back yard.
 >
 >http://www.stur-deeboat.com/sturdeecat.htm

They are ok boats. I might consider one.

Later,

Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:51:33 GMT, "Don White"
<white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 >
 >"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.RemoveThis@askme.com> wrote in message >
  >> There are folks in my family who want to investigate adding a sail
  >> boat to the Short Wave fleet.
  >>
  >> I'm considering one of those Sandpipers actually.
  >>
  >> Later,
  >>
  >> Tom
 >
 >if you plan on drysailing off a trailer...or beaching etc....very
 >practical..
 >....if you plan on leaving it in the water all season, I'd also look at a
 >shoal keelboat like the Catalina (Capri) 18.
 >very similar in size & weight , except cockpit longer on the Capri and an
 >open cabin floor vs. the awkwark centerboard trunk on the 'Piper.

Duly noted.

Thanks.

Later,

Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.RemoveThis@askme.com> wrote in message
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 > On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:10:21 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
 > <ancientangler.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
  >>
  >>"Steven Shelikoff" <shelikoff.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >>news:fgjd41lnej69efoheobfp07l7ss7gc3mfh@4ax.com...
   >>> On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 14:53:20 GMT, "Don White"
   >>> <white.RemoveThis@nsknospm.sympatico.ca> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>
   >>>>"Doug Kanter" <ancientangler.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
   >>>>news:Oqz1e.1939$VF6.902@news02.roc.ny...
   >>>>>
   >>>>> A friend had one many years ago. He was an expert, but he invited me
   >>>>> out
   >>>>> a
   >>>>> few times and I had no trouble making the thing go, stop, but not roll
   >>>>over.
   >>>>> Great little boats. Well....OK...I did roll it over once, but he
   >>>>> wanted
   >>>>> me
   >>>>> to learn how far the thing could be pushed before that would happen.
   >>>>>
   >>>>Did you ever 'pitchpole' one? That might scare the little ones.
   >>>
   >>> It might. But you can sail one for years and never pitchpole or even
   >>> capize it if you don't want to. The only reason it will pitchpole or
   >>> capsize is if you're sailing it at the limit, trying to go as fast as
   >>> possible and have as much excitement and fun as possible. If you have
   >>> little ones on board, just don't do that. Unless you're in very high
   >>> winds (like over 30kts, which you shouldn't be anyway) if you don't
   >>> sheet in the main tight, you'll always keep both pontoons in the water.
   >>>
   >>> Steve
  >>
  >>Exactly. You don't have to sail like someone doing a Pepsi commercial,
  >>trying to fly over waves. And as far as scaring the little ones, if
  >>they're
  >>not swimming like porpoises by age 3 or 4, they have no business being in
  >>a
  >>boat as open as a Hobie Cat or Sunfish anyway. I don't care if they've got
  >>a
  >>PFD and 2 bodyguards from an Olympic swim team. Their confidence has to be
  >>automatic and absolute.
 >
 > Totally agree with you Doug.

Don't start with me Tom. I'll find you and beat you to death with a
chocolate bunny.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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