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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:23:36 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:

 >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
 ><emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
 >
  >>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:48 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
  >>
   >>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
   >>><emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:04:32 -0800, -rick- <nobody DeleteThis @home.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Ahem - cough, cough... :>)
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> The science is only a guide. Sound, and fidelity which is a concept
   >>>>>> that seems to have escaped into the ether these days, is entirely
   >>>>>> subjective. Being subjective, what may sound good to you will not
   >>>>>> sound good to me.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>I take your point but you go too far in that it's not "entirely
   >>>>>subjective". 20% distortion will sound less accurate than .01%. As an
   >>>>>electric guitar player I understand that some kinds of distortion are
   >>>>>more pleasing than others in sound creation but you weren't discussing
   >>>>>violins or guitar amps. In sound reproduction accuracy is the goal.
   >>>>>Todays instruments can measure the audible spectrum well beyond what
   >>>>>human ears can discern in amplitude, frequency, or phase.
   >>>>
   >>>>Exactly. What's the point of reproducing a sound you can't hear?
   >>>
   >>>Maybe you can feel it?
  >>
  >>Good question. I know that certain sub-harmonics are felt at low
  >>frequencies, but you are a musician (if I remember correctly) - do you
  >>"feel" high C when pulling a string on a Strat? I sure as hell never
  >>did but a good riff below the A fret with the occasional stroll up the
  >>fingerboard could just send shivers up the old spine. :>)
  >>
  >>Consider that Wes Montgomery NEVER went above the B fret and BB King
  >>and or Buddy Guy don't stray much up there either - you've got to
  >>believe that the "soul" in the music is at the lower frequencies.
  >>
  >>Or am I just talking out my ancient and old musical butt? :>)
 >
 >I think that Wes and BB (The other one!) realize, either conciously or
 >unconciously, where most of the male human voice range can be found on
 >the guitar.

Exactly. Good point.

 >Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
 >that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
 >have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
 >process them differently than what we consider "audible".

Back when I was a student, I had some electives to make up and two of
those were in "humanities/arts". I took two semesters of Music
History which, oddly, was very interesting. One of the things that
stuck in my brain was that it was a common belief that music effects
the "humors" in the body causing rising and falling passions.
Researchers have pretty much proven that low frequency sub-harmonics
can initiate fear and increased adrenalin output.

There is probably a lot of truth to being able to "feel" music - I'm
just not sure we can "feel" higher frequencies.

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:06:00 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:

 >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 17:01:02 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
 ><emaildisguised RemoveThis @askme.com> wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

  >>There is probably a lot of truth to being able to "feel" music - I'm
  >>just not sure we can "feel" higher frequencies.
 >
 >Really? When was the last time you saw a dentist? LOL!

Yesterday in fact.

Then again, I wear full dentures. :>)

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 > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
 > <emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
 >
  >>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:48 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
  >>
   >>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
   >>><emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:04:32 -0800, -rick- <nobody DeleteThis @home.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> Ahem - cough, cough... :>)
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>> The science is only a guide. Sound, and fidelity which is a concept
   >>>>>> that seems to have escaped into the ether these days, is entirely
   >>>>>> subjective. Being subjective, what may sound good to you will not
   >>>>>> sound good to me.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>I take your point but you go too far in that it's not "entirely
   >>>>>subjective". 20% distortion will sound less accurate than .01%. As an
   >>>>>electric guitar player I understand that some kinds of distortion are
   >>>>>more pleasing than others in sound creation but you weren't discussing
   >>>>>violins or guitar amps. In sound reproduction accuracy is the goal.
   >>>>>Todays instruments can measure the audible spectrum well beyond what
   >>>>>human ears can discern in amplitude, frequency, or phase.
   >>>>
   >>>>Exactly. What's the point of reproducing a sound you can't hear?
   >>>
   >>>Maybe you can feel it?
  >>
  >>Good question. I know that certain sub-harmonics are felt at low
  >>frequencies, but you are a musician (if I remember correctly) - do you
  >>"feel" high C when pulling a string on a Strat? I sure as hell never
  >>did but a good riff below the A fret with the occasional stroll up the
  >>fingerboard could just send shivers up the old spine. :>)
  >>
  >>Consider that Wes Montgomery NEVER went above the B fret and BB King
  >>and or Buddy Guy don't stray much up there either - you've got to
  >>believe that the "soul" in the music is at the lower frequencies.
  >>
  >>Or am I just talking out my ancient and old musical butt? :>)
  >>
  >>Later,
  >>
  >>Tom
  >>
 >
 > I think that Wes and BB (The other one!) realize, either conciously or
 > unconciously, where most of the male human voice range can be found on
 > the guitar.
 >
 > Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
 > that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
 > have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
 > process them differently than what we consider "audible".
 >
 > BB

Low frequencies in that range are sensed by conductive hearing (through bone
mass in the head). I can get more info about the specifics from my speech
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Doug Kanter wrote:

 > <BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com> wrote in message
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 >
  >>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
  >><emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:48 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
   >>>><emaildisguised DeleteThis @askme.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:04:32 -0800, -rick- <nobody DeleteThis @home.com> wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>>Ahem - cough, cough... :>)
   >>>>>>>
   >>>>>>>The science is only a guide. Sound, and fidelity which is a concept
   >>>>>>>that seems to have escaped into the ether these days, is entirely
   >>>>>>>subjective. Being subjective, what may sound good to you will not
   >>>>>>>sound good to me.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>I take your point but you go too far in that it's not "entirely
   >>>>>>subjective". 20% distortion will sound less accurate than .01%. As an
   >>>>>>electric guitar player I understand that some kinds of distortion are
   >>>>>>more pleasing than others in sound creation but you weren't discussing
   >>>>>>violins or guitar amps. In sound reproduction accuracy is the goal.
   >>>>>>Todays instruments can measure the audible spectrum well beyond what
   >>>>>>human ears can discern in amplitude, frequency, or phase.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Exactly. What's the point of reproducing a sound you can't hear?
   >>>>
   >>>>Maybe you can feel it?
   >>>
   >>>Good question. I know that certain sub-harmonics are felt at low
   >>>frequencies, but you are a musician (if I remember correctly) - do you
   >>>"feel" high C when pulling a string on a Strat? I sure as hell never
   >>>did but a good riff below the A fret with the occasional stroll up the
   >>>fingerboard could just send shivers up the old spine. :>)
   >>>
   >>>Consider that Wes Montgomery NEVER went above the B fret and BB King
   >>>and or Buddy Guy don't stray much up there either - you've got to
   >>>believe that the "soul" in the music is at the lower frequencies.
   >>>
   >>>Or am I just talking out my ancient and old musical butt? :>)
   >>>
   >>>Later,
   >>>
   >>>Tom
   >>>
  >>
  >>I think that Wes and BB (The other one!) realize, either conciously or
  >>unconciously, where most of the male human voice range can be found on
  >>the guitar.
  >>
  >>Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
  >>that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
  >>have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
  >>process them differently than what we consider "audible".
  >>
  >>BB
 >
 >
 > Low frequencies in that range are sensed by conductive hearing (through bone
 > mass in the head). I can get more info about the specifics from my speech
 > pathologist ex-wife, if she deigns to speak to me this week.
 >
 >

Supports my earlier comment re Playboy

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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:35:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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~~ snippage ~~

  >> Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
  >> that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
  >> have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
  >> process them differently than what we consider "audible".
 >
 >Low frequencies in that range are sensed by conductive hearing (through bone
 >mass in the head). I can get more info about the specifics from my speech
 >pathologist ex-wife, if she deigns to speak to me this week.

So those with more bone mass in the head would hear those frequencies
better.

Hmmmm - brings new meaning to bonehead doesn't it?

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.TakeThisOut@askme.com> wrote in message
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 > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:23:36 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
 >
  > >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 16:08:20 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
  > ><emaildisguised.TakeThisOut@askme.com> wrote:
  > >
   > >>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 15:54:48 GMT, BinaryBillTheSailor@Sea++.com wrote:
   > >>
   > >>>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:20:59 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
   > >>><emaildisguised.TakeThisOut@askme.com> wrote:
   > >>>
   > >>>>On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:04:32 -0800, -rick- <nobody.TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote:
   > >>>>
   > >>>>>Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
   > >>>>>>
   > >>>>>> Ahem - cough, cough... :>)
   > >>>>>>
   > >>>>>> The science is only a guide. Sound, and fidelity which is a
concept
   > >>>>>> that seems to have escaped into the ether these days, is entirely
   > >>>>>> subjective. Being subjective, what may sound good to you will not
   > >>>>>> sound good to me.
   > >>>>>
   > >>>>>I take your point but you go too far in that it's not "entirely
   > >>>>>subjective". 20% distortion will sound less accurate than .01%. As
an
   > >>>>>electric guitar player I understand that some kinds of distortion are
   > >>>>>more pleasing than others in sound creation but you weren't
discussing
   > >>>>>violins or guitar amps. In sound reproduction accuracy is the goal.
   > >>>>>Todays instruments can measure the audible spectrum well beyond what
   > >>>>>human ears can discern in amplitude, frequency, or phase.
   > >>>>
   > >>>>Exactly. What's the point of reproducing a sound you can't hear?
   > >>>
   > >>>Maybe you can feel it?
   > >>
   > >>Good question. I know that certain sub-harmonics are felt at low
   > >>frequencies, but you are a musician (if I remember correctly) - do you
   > >>"feel" high C when pulling a string on a Strat? I sure as hell never
   > >>did but a good riff below the A fret with the occasional stroll up the
   > >>fingerboard could just send shivers up the old spine. :>)
   > >>
   > >>Consider that Wes Montgomery NEVER went above the B fret and BB King
   > >>and or Buddy Guy don't stray much up there either - you've got to
   > >>believe that the "soul" in the music is at the lower frequencies.
   > >>
   > >>Or am I just talking out my ancient and old musical butt? :>)
  > >
  > >I think that Wes and BB (The other one!) realize, either conciously or
  > >unconciously, where most of the male human voice range can be found on
  > >the guitar.
 >
 > Exactly. Good point.
 >
  > >Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
  > >that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
  > >have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
  > >process them differently than what we consider "audible".
 >
 > Back when I was a student, I had some electives to make up and two of
 > those were in "humanities/arts". I took two semesters of Music
 > History which, oddly, was very interesting. One of the things that
 > stuck in my brain was that it was a common belief that music effects
 > the "humors" in the body causing rising and falling passions.
 > Researchers have pretty much proven that low frequency sub-harmonics
 > can initiate fear and increased adrenalin output.
 >
 > There is probably a lot of truth to being able to "feel" music - I'm
 > just not sure we can "feel" higher frequencies.
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom

Lower frequencies can be felt, but not heard. There are conceptual weapons
that broadcast high power, low frequency sounds that can kill or
incapacitate the target. There are many cases reported of people being ill
from low frequency noise in buildings. And if it is Memorex, you can break
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On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:26:53 GMT, "Calif Bill"
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~~ snippage ~~

 >Lower frequencies can be felt, but not heard. There are conceptual weapons
 >that broadcast high power, low frequency sounds that can kill or
 >incapacitate the target. There are many cases reported of people being ill
 >from low frequency noise in buildings. And if it is Memorex, you can break
 >wine glass.

I wonder if this can be turned into a weapon? Shoot down airplanes
with an EMP type pulse?

Hmmmm.....

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 > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:35:04 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
 > <ancientangler RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > ~~ snippage ~~
 >
   >>> Meanwhile, I swear I've been to performances of a large pipe organ
   >>> that produced low notes that could only be felt as vibrations. I also,
   >>> have always wondered if our senses detect very high sounds, but
   >>> process them differently than what we consider "audible".
  >>
  >>Low frequencies in that range are sensed by conductive hearing (through
  >>bone
  >>mass in the head). I can get more info about the specifics from my speech
  >>pathologist ex-wife, if she deigns to speak to me this week.
 >
 > So those with more bone mass in the head would hear those frequencies
 > better.
 >
 > Hmmmm - brings new meaning to bonehead doesn't it?
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom
 >

Ba da bam---crash! "Hey....is this an audience or an oil painting?" - Henny
Youngman

Actually, the standing belief is that "we dunno". Believe me - I've asked.
There were times when my son and I were talking about a great bass line in a
song and she'd say "Where? I don't hear it". And she's got perfect hearing,
too. I think it's a question of what you focus on, and how that can train
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.RemoveThis@askme.com> wrote in message
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 > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:26:53 GMT, "Calif Bill"
 > <bmckee.nospam.RemoveThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
 >
 > ~~ snippage ~~
 >
  > >Lower frequencies can be felt, but not heard. There are conceptual
weapons
  > >that broadcast high power, low frequency sounds that can kill or
  > >incapacitate the target. There are many cases reported of people being
ill
  > >from low frequency noise in buildings. And if it is Memorex, you can
break
  > >wine glass.
 >
 > I wonder if this can be turned into a weapon? Shoot down airplanes
 > with an EMP type pulse?
 >
 > Hmmmm.....
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom


I was proposing to my good neighbor that I need to design a 2-4kw 23khz
directional sound system. Then when the bad neighbors pack of sled dogs get
to barking and fighting, we hit the leader with a blast. He does a backflip
from the pressure wave. May change the pack to the better.
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