Splashproof PDA?

"NoOp" <glgxg.TakeThisOut@mfire.com.invalid> wrote in message
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 > Andy Champ wrote:
  > > Anyone know of a simple PDA that is splashproof? (maybe using a
  > > splashproof casing)
  > > Needs to be able to take handwritten scribbles/drawings...
  > >
  > > Andy
  > >
 >
 > Google is your friend
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com/search?&q=Splashproof+PDA</font" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?&q=Splashproof+PDA</font</a>>
 >
 > For the UK you might want to take a look at Aquapac:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.aquapac.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.aquapac.net/</font</a>>
 >

Why go the high-tech route? What's wrong with wet notes?

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.nauticaldata.com/product_main.htm" target="_blank">http://www.nauticaldata.com/product_main.htm</a>

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Andy Champ <no.way.DeleteThis@nospam.com> writes:

 >Anyone know of a simple PDA that is splashproof? (maybe using a
 >splashproof casing)

A bog-standard Palm Pilot in a ziploc bag.

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I have successfully used my Ipaq (even in its GPS sleeve) in a clear plastic
pencil case which isn't much more than a plastic bag with a press together
type of plastic 'zip' across the bottom. (The 'Ziploc' referred to by
another poster may be the proper name for this type of bag?????

I wouldn't say it was waterproof but it is certainly splashproof -
particularly if the fastening is at the bottom rather than the top.

They are fairly delicate pieces of kit though and not really suited to
extended life on a boat.

I don't know of a PDA that is sold as waterproof or even splashproof.


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 > Andy Champ <no.way RemoveThis @nospam.com> writes:
 >
  > >Anyone know of a simple PDA that is splashproof? (maybe using a
  > >splashproof casing)
 >
 > A bog-standard Palm Pilot in a ziploc bag.
 >
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Sailor wrote:

 > I have successfully used my Ipaq (even in its GPS sleeve) in a clear plastic
 > pencil case which isn't much more than a plastic bag with a press together
 > type of plastic 'zip' across the bottom. (The 'Ziploc' referred to by
 > another poster may be the proper name for this type of bag?????
 >
 > I wouldn't say it was waterproof but it is certainly splashproof -
 > particularly if the fastening is at the bottom rather than the top.
 >
 > They are fairly delicate pieces of kit though and not really suited to
 > extended life on a boat.
 >
 > I don't know of a PDA that is sold as waterproof or even splashproof.
 >
 >

Actually if price is not an issue, Trimble Navigation has a PDA (the
Recon) that is not only splashproof, it is waterproof and meet US Mil Specs:

Ruggedization details --

* complies with MIL-STD-810F for humidity, sand & dust, water,
drop, vibration and altitude limits
* Extreme temp limits -- -22°F (-30°C) to 140°F (60°C)

Operating systen -- Windows Mobile 2003

See:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdsway.com/" target="_blank">http://www.tdsway.com/</a>
and specifically:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdsway.com/?Sec1=products&grp=hdw&Sec2=tdsreconseries&Sec3=overview" target="_blank">http://www.tdsway.com/?Sec1=products&grp=hdw&Sec2=tdsreconseries&Sec3=overview</a>
( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/svop" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/svop</a> )
Price is approx $1,500 - $1,800 USD
See:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.tdsway.com/?Sec1=products&grp=hdw&Sec2=tdsreconseries&Sec3=pricing" target="_blank">http://www.tdsway.com/?Sec1=products&grp=hdw&Sec2=tdsreconseries&Sec3=pricing</a>
( <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://tinyurl.com/hiia" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/hiia</a> )
or
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.mobileplanet.com/vendor.asp?vendor_name=TRD" target="_blank">http://www.mobileplanet.com/vendor.asp?vendor_name=TRD</a><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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NoOp wrote:

 > Sailor wrote:
 >
  >> I have successfully used my Ipaq (even in its GPS sleeve) in a clear
  >> plastic pencil case which isn't much more than a plastic bag with a press
  >> together
  >> type of plastic 'zip' across the bottom. (The 'Ziploc' referred to by
  >> another poster may be the proper name for this type of bag?????
  >>
  >> I wouldn't say it was waterproof but it is certainly splashproof -
  >> particularly if the fastening is at the bottom rather than the top.
  >>
  >> They are fairly delicate pieces of kit though and not really suited to
  >> extended life on a boat.
  >>
  >> I don't know of a PDA that is sold as waterproof or even splashproof.
  >>
  >>
 >
 > Actually if price is not an issue, Trimble Navigation has a PDA (the
 > Recon) that is not only splashproof, it is waterproof and meet US Mil
 > Specs:
 >
 > Ruggedization details --
 >
 > * complies with MIL-STD-810F for humidity, sand & dust, water,
 > drop, vibration and altitude limits
 > * Extreme temp limits -- -22°F (-30°C) to 140°F (60°C)
 >
 > Operating systen -- Windows Mobile 2003
 >

strange then that the US military has just decided to ditch ms-windows for
their handheld computer as it just isn't reliable enough and they're going
over to Linux.

<http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/article.cfm?Id=1238>
|The CDA is intended for the battalion commander and staff, company
|commanders and platoon leaders. "The battalion commander can pass orders
|with his staff and migrate orders to company and platoon leaders," said
|Gallop. "They can track the execution of operations from platoon to
|company level." The CDA, in other words, provides a data bridge from the
|battalion to the brigade. Now, said Gallop, "the battalion is kind of like
|a digital island."
|
|The LW SI will have a single processor. The previous LW had a dual
|processor, which frequently malfunctioned. Other changes include a more
|simplified data bus and a Linux-based operating system, as opposed to
|Windows. "Evidence shows that Linux is more stable. We are moving in
|general to where the Army is going, to Linux-based OS," said Gallop.
|
|The Land Warrior operates in a soldier-to-soldier wireless network, for
|short-range data and voice transmissions. For extended communications, the
|CDA is connected to a SINCGARS ASIP radio. Other radios may be
|incorporated in the future, such as the MBITR, the PRC-117F or L-band and
|Iridium satellite systems.

I keep my Palm Zire 71 in an "Aquamate" case

<http://www.sailgb.com/sshop/prod_list.asp?category=Waterproof-bag-for-Palm-PDA-GPS-VHF&cid=37>
(Other companies also carry the "Aquamate" range as well)

and our radios we carry in our rescue dories are in Aquamate cases as well.

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paul cooke wrote:

 >
 >
 > strange then that the US military has just decided to ditch ms-windows for
 > their handheld computer as it just isn't reliable enough and they're going
 > over to Linux.

[snip lot's of irrelevant text]

Perhaps then you'll want to let the OP know that he can run out and buy
his new Land Warrior Linux based CDA after 2007:

"When will Land Warrior be delivered?

The initial Land Warrior-Stryker Interoperable (LW-SI) systems will
be delivered at the beginning of 2005 for formal contractor and
government testing. The Land Warrior-SI Low-Rate Initial Production
(LRIP) is planned to begin in August 2006, with the First Unit Equipped
by early June 2007."
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.gd-decisionsystems.com/landwarrior/faqs.html" target="_blank">http://www.gd-decisionsystems.com/landwarrior/faqs.html</a>

If your intention was to promote Linux base PDA's vs MS (although I see
you still use a PDA with the Palm OS), then perhaps this link might have
been more helpful:

<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html" target="_blank">http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html</a>

BTW: MIL-STD-810F is a hardware standard and has nothing whatsoever to
do with software or OS.

 >
 > I keep my Palm Zire 71 in an "Aquamate" case
 >
 > <http://www.sailgb.com/sshop/prod_list.asp?category=Waterproof-bag-for-Palm-PDA-GPS-VHF&cid=37>
 > (Other companies also carry the "Aquamate" range as well)
 >
 > and our radios we carry in our rescue dories are in Aquamate cases as well.
 >

I personally find it a bit much to carry around my PDA (or radio) in an
Aquamate case: <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sailgb.com/sshop/prod_info.asp?PID=1296" target="_blank">http://www.sailgb.com/sshop/prod_info.asp?PID=1296</a> (that
is the only Aquamate product on the sight that you referenced),
although I suppose that the lanyard does some in handy at times and, I
like the added feature always having drinking water available...

If you read the thread, you'll find that the Aquapac products were
recommended (as were several other workable suggestions) for existing
PDA's. However the OP was looking for a splashproof PDA - not bags,
solar stills, or Land Warrior combat gear... so I pointed him to a
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Thanks all!

I've also been pointed at

http://www.casio.co.uk/mobility/products.asp?ShowProd=EG-800

For anyone else who is interested.

Andy
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Andy Champ wrote:

 > Thanks all!
 >
 > I've also been pointed at
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.casio.co.uk/mobility/products.asp?ShowProd=EG-800</font" target="_blank">http://www.casio.co.uk/mobility/products.asp?ShowProd=EG-800</font</a>>
 >
 > For anyone else who is interested.
 >
 > Andy
 >

You still might want to get an Aquapac or similar if you chose the
EG-800 as the specs state that it is only IPX2:

"Water Resistance IPX2"

IP stands for Ingress Protection and the most basic IPX descriptions are:

IPX2
Light mist, do not immerse

(Protected against dripping water when tilted up to 15 N)

IPX4
Rain, splashing water, do not immerse
IPX7
Submerged to 1 meter for 30 minutes

or technically:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hubersuhner.com/p-rf/p-rf-cab/p-rf-cab-info/p-rf-cab-env-ip-rating.htm" target="_blank">http://www.hubersuhner.com/p-rf/p-rf-cab/p-rf-cab-info/p-rf-cab-env-ip...ting.ht</a>

IPX2 is sort of like that Casio wrist watch that you got as a kid that
was marked "Water Resistant" -- you could take a shower with it on as
long as you always held it at a 15 degree angle and didn't get it wet or
drop it from 0.75m

Good luck in your search and please do post back on what you decide on.
I am also interested in a splashproof PDA solution, primarily for race
scorekeepers and mark boats.

For me, I think that the Aquapac might be the way to go for now --
simply for cost reasons. Plus if I keep a few of these Aquapac's on
hand, I might be able to convince the PDA owners to use their own
devices during the regatta... the TDS Recon will have to wait until we
hit the lotto.

Note to Edward: Wet Notes work well, but a PC with a pre-loaded scoring
program w/ISSA rules & tie breaking software definitely makes life much
easier... besides, I've not yet figured out a way to pre-print scoring
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:02:09 UTC, "Edward Fryer"
<edward_fryer.TakeThisOut@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:

 >
 > "NoOp" <glgxg.TakeThisOut@mfire.com.invalid> wrote in message
 > news:3F9EFD5B.60609@mfire.com.invalid...
  > > Andy Champ wrote:
   > > > Anyone know of a simple PDA that is splashproof? (maybe using a
   > > > splashproof casing)
   > > > Needs to be able to take handwritten scribbles/drawings...
   > > >
   > > > Andy
   > > >
  > >
  > > Google is your friend
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.google.com/search?&q=Splashproof+PDA</font" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/search?&q=Splashproof+PDA</font</a>>
  > >
  > > For the UK you might want to take a look at Aquapac:
  > >
<font color=green>  > > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.aquapac.net/</font" target="_blank">http://www.aquapac.net/</font</a>>
  > >
 >
 > Why go the high-tech route? What's wrong with wet notes?
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.nauticaldata.com/product_main.htm</font" target="_blank">http://www.nauticaldata.com/product_main.htm</font</a>>

Or if you want/need a PDA, what's wrong with a zip lock bag?

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Andy Champ wrote:
 > Thanks all!
 >
 > I've also been pointed at
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.casio.co.uk/mobility/products.asp?ShowProd=EG-800</font" target="_blank">http://www.casio.co.uk/mobility/products.asp?ShowProd=EG-800</font</a>>
 >
 > For anyone else who is interested.
 >
 > Andy
 >

Nice but useless:

"Battery Life Large approx 13 hours, Medium approx 7 hours,
Small approx 4 hours"

My Palm lasts a month at least.

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Pär C wrote:
 >
 > Nice but useless:
 >
 > "Battery Life Large approx 13 hours, Medium approx 7 hours,
 > Small approx 4 hours"
 >
 > My Palm lasts a month at least.
 >
 > Per
 >
Fortunately the guy who asked me is likely to be near a car - infinite
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Andy Champ wrote:
 > Fortunately the guy who asked me is likely to be near a car - infinite
 > amounts of 12v available...
 >

OK I guessed wrong on the application: He says

Thanks
I've bodged together a kit to meet the needs, the lab manager where I
work wanted such a device to record pH values, notes & other boring
stuff, but because it's a 'cleanroom' no paper/pens etc are allowed -
ordinary computer won't do because the location it's needed is subject
to splashes.
What I've gone with in the end is a normal LCD flat screen, mounted
outside the lab behind one of the windows (Well, a toolmaker is making
the brackets for me now) - the PC sits on the lab roof and an RF
keyboard/trackball sit in the lab (with splash covers), doing the
software for him now and it should be ready to roll soon.
Keyboard/mouse is cheap to replace should they get damaged, all of the
expensive bits stay outside.
Going with one of these too:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.cablesaccessories.com/gh_PA-RC-168.html" target="_blank">http://www.cablesaccessories.com/gh_PA-RC-168.html</a>
So the PC can be reset/turned on/off etc with the keyfob mounted in the
lab (It's RF, not IR as the title incorrectly says)
Thanks for all the info though *saves* - may have future use for that.

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:14:46 UTC, Andy Champ <no.way DeleteThis @nospam.com>
wrote:

 > Andy Champ wrote:
 > the PC sits on the lab roof and an RF
 > keyboard/trackball sit in the lab (with splash covers), doing the
 > software for him now and it should be ready to roll soon.
 > Keyboard/mouse is cheap to replace should they get damaged, all of the
 > expensive bits stay outside.
 > Going with one of these too:
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.cablesaccessories.com/gh_PA-RC-168.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.cablesaccessories.com/gh_PA-RC-168.html</font</a>>
 > So the PC can be reset/turned on/off etc with the keyfob mounted in the
 > lab (It's RF, not IR as the title incorrectly says)
 > Thanks for all the info though *saves* - may have future use for that.
 >
 > Andy (and Steve, the lab tech)
 >

Thanks for the URL pointer. I can think of a few uses for remote
controls and keyboards, etc.


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