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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:21 pm
Post subject: Suzuki Outboards
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While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.
It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
any product liability dealings with the firm.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 6:47 pm
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I don't grasp your bridge between performance of an outboard you admit
is "good" and 16 year old litigation.
Manufacturer litigation : CR as Manufacturer quality : consumer ==>
doesn't obtain.
CR has been pounding on the old "it will tip over" foolishness every
since the CJ-5. Anybody that buys an off-road vehicle and doesn't
realize that they are top heavy and that you can't drive them like a
sports car, is as stupid as the old McDonalds dame that assumed her
crotch was burn proof. IMHO, anybody reporting an off-road vehicle as
unsafe because it can be misused by the end user has opened themselves
up to litigation from an unhappy manufacturer.
Don't buy an outboard for use on dry land and don't buy an off-road
vehicle expecting it to be suitable as a sports car.
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:21:14 -0600, Messing In Boats
<colwe003.TakeThisOut@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
>hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
>their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.
>
>It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
>rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
>quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
>issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
>
>Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
>of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
>any product liability dealings with the firm.
>
>Capt. jeff
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:48 am
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Could you elaborate on the "scortched earth" policy you mentioned?
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"Messing In Boats" <colwe003.TakeThisOut@tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
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> While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
> hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
> their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.
>
> It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
> rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
> quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
> issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
>
> Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
> of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
> any product liability dealings with the firm.
>
> Capt. jeff
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:48 am
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Capt.,
Here's the link:
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv4.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=384051&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=3215&bmUID=1076887011603" target="_blank">http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv4.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=3...51&FOLD</a>
Or go to Consumers Report home page and follow the link in regards to
Suzuki. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp?bhfv=6&bhqs=1" target="_blank">http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp?bhfv=6&bhqs=1</a>
Paul
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> Could you elaborate on the "scortched earth" policy you mentioned?
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> "Messing In Boats" <colwe003 DeleteThis @tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
> news:c0okdu$bar$1@lenny.tc.umn.edu...
> > While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
> > hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
> > their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer
Reports.
> >
> > It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
> > rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
> > quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
> > issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
> >
> > Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the
purchase
> > of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
> > any product liability dealings with the firm.
> >
> > Capt. jeff
> >
>
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:48 am
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:20:56 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
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>Capt.,
> Here's the link:
>http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv4.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=384051&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=3215&bmUID=1076887011603
>Or go to Consumers Report home page and follow the link in regards to
<font color=purple> >Suzuki. <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp?bhfv=6&bhqs=1</font" target="_blank">http://www.consumerreports.org/main/home.jsp?bhfv=6&bhqs=1</font</a>>
>Paul
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>"Capt Frank Hopkins" <aartworksSPAMEX.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Could you elaborate on the "scortched earth" policy you mentioned?
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>> "Messing In Boats" <colwe003.DeleteThis@tc.umn.edu> wrote in message
>> news:c0okdu$bar$1@lenny.tc.umn.edu...
>> > While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
>> > hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
>> > their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer
>Reports.
>> >
>> > It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
>> > rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
>> > quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
>> > issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
>> >
>> > Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the
>purchase
>> > of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
>> > any product liability dealings with the firm.
>> >
>> > Capt. jeff
>> >
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>
Just about what I suspected.
I'd like to see Jeep also enter the litigation and sue the pants off
of CR *and* 60 Minutes..... both of which concluded that off-road
vehicles couldn't be driven like sports cars and then based on that,
ruled them unsafe.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:14 pm
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CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
a good powerplant for your boat.
Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
Peter
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Messing In Boats wrote:
> While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
> hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
> their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.
>
> It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
> rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
> quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
> issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
>
> Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
> of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
> any product liability dealings with the firm.
>
> Capt. jeff
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:14 pm
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost.RemoveThis@sea.net> wrote:
>CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
>long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
>be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
>environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
>suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
>For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
>a good powerplant for your boat.
>Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
>to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
>
>Peter
I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.
--
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 4:14 pm
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost RemoveThis @sea.net> wrote:
>CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
>long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
>be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
>environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
>suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
>For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
>a good powerplant for your boat.
>Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
>to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
>
>Peter
I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
than Suzuki.
--
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:41 pm
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Hi Gene,
we are running several suzi-q's and havn't had any trouble out of any of
them. (except for renters running aground and chewing up props or damage to
the lower unit.) So far, ownership, and maintenance costs included they are
out preforming the Mercs and Yammies. We plan to buy more as our 2 strokes
wear out.
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"Gene Kearns" <ewkearns.RemoveThis@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost.RemoveThis@sea.net> wrote:
>
> >CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
> >long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
> >be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
> >environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
> >suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
> >For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
> >a good powerplant for your boat.
> >Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
> >to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
> >
> >Peter
>
> I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
> litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
> seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
> rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
> they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
> CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
> than Suzuki.
>
> --
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>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
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ooops, clcicked send too quick. I guess we are talking outboards and
oranges here!
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> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost.TakeThisOut@sea.net> wrote:
>
> >CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
> >long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
> >be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
> >environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
> >suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
> >For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
> >a good powerplant for your boat.
> >Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
> >to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
> >
> >Peter
>
> I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
> litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
> seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
> rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
> they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
> CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
> than Suzuki.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
>
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Homepage
> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp</a> Where
Southport,NC is located.
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"Gene Kearns" <ewkearns RemoveThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost RemoveThis @sea.net> wrote:
>
> >CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
> >long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
> >be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
> >environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
> >suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
> >For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
> >a good powerplant for your boat.
> >Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
> >to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
> >
> >Peter
>
> I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
> litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
> seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
> rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
> they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
> CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
> than Suzuki.
>
> --
>
>
>
> Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
>
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Homepage
> <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp</a> Where
Southport,NC is located.
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CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct. All
the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a multimillion
dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and his
buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed and
paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:39 pm
Post subject: Re: Suzuki Outboards [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Bill,
I had a CJ5, those rollbars were pretty ornamental. I'd soon heard of
other CJ's that had rolled and the bars failed. It did teach me one thing,
to always wear a seatbelt.
Paul
"Calif Bill" <bmckee.nospam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Gene Kearns" <ewkearns DeleteThis @triad.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost DeleteThis @sea.net> wrote:
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> > >CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
> > >long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
> > >be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
> > >environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
> > >suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
> > >For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
> > >a good powerplant for your boat.
> > >Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no
reason
> > >to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
> > >
> > >Peter
> >
> > I don't grasp your point. We have an adversarial system of
> > litigation. One can either have no interest or adopt a position. It
> > seems that you have taken the side of Suzuki, in that you feel CU
> > rushed to hasty judgment. My point is that this isn't the first time
> > they have do so..... IMHO, resulting in the death of the Jeep
> > CJ...Thus, incurring financial harm, Jeep probably has a better case
> > than Suzuki.
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> > Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
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> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp</a> Where
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> CU said that the CJ could roll easier than a car. They are correct. All
> the small jeeps rolled. Including my 43 Willy. Jeep lost a multimillion
> dollar suit, locally (Oakland, Calif) a few years ago, when a guy and his
> buddy rolled his CJ on a city street and the POS factory rollbar failed
and
> paralyzed the guy for life. The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
> in regards to handling.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:39 pm
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"Calif Bill" <bmckee.nospam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<309Yb.6006$WW3.3036@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> The Samurai made the CJ look like a sportscar
> in regards to handling.
Test drove an early Geo Tracker once, same as the Samurai. First
adverse reaction was that the interior space would make the Jeep CJ or
a Honda 600 seem like a Winnebago in comparison. Next adverse reaction
was, in 5th gear, it was turning 3000 RPM at 55 MPH. Commented on this
and the salesman said, "yeah, it's got a lot of power." That pretty
much eliminated my hope of getting into a technical discussion with
him (that high an RPM at such a low highway speed means the
manufacturer acknowledges the engine is lacking in power at lower RPM,
and the transmission has been geared to compensate for it). Next came
the handling test: executing a moderate speed U-turn to return to the
dealership. That was the nail in the coffin. It had the approximate
handling I'd expect of a Rubik's Cube, and come to think of it, the
similarity in appearance was probably not uncoincidental.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:39 pm
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:20:35 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
<paulschilter@comcast,dot,net> wrote:
>Bill,
> I had a CJ5, those rollbars were pretty ornamental. I'd soon heard of
>other CJ's that had rolled and the bars failed. It did teach me one thing,
>to always wear a seatbelt.
>Paul
>
Taught me to weld in a roll cage... nice place to hang a radio, too.
--
Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/" target="_blank">http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/</a> Homepage
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp</a> Where Southport,NC is located.
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm" target="_blank">http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm</a> Real Time Pictures at My Marina
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 12:44 am
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From my experience - Suzuki outboards SUCK in salt water. Worse than
anything else I've ever owned.
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:14:29 GMT, Sailing Fan <lost.TakeThisOut@sea.net> wrote:
>CU made a hasty decision to give Suzuki an unacceptable rating a long,
>long time ago. To save face, they have stuck to their guns, which is to
>be expected. Today there are some very well rated and very
>environmentally friendly cars made by Suzuki. You don't see Exxon-Mobil
>suing because the vehicles don't use enough fuel?
>For the most any application, Suzuki outboards are worth considering as
>a good powerplant for your boat.
>Because CU is posturing for litigation against Suzuki, this is no reason
>to take sides, as you and CU suggest.
>
>Peter
>http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=cottagecraftsmen&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50
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>Messing In Boats wrote:
>> While I believe that Suzuki makes a very good outboard motor, I would
>> hesitate to recommend one to a prospective buyer after reading about
>> their "scorched-earth" litigation tactics dealing with Consumer Reports.
>>
>> It seems that back in 1988 CR gave the Suzuki Samurai an unacceptable
>> rating after finding it had a tendancy to tip over while turning, a
>> quality I would find alarming in a motor vehicle. Read the March 2004
>> issue of Consumer Reports to get their side.
>>
>> Based upon this information, I would hesitate to recommend the purchase
>> of any Suzuki product for fear of facing these tactics should one have
>> any product liability dealings with the firm.
>>
>> Capt. jeff
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