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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:30:57 -0500, Harry Krause
<piedtypecase.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

 >...this gal will be allowed to breed:
 >
 >Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
 >
 >LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
 >barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
 >styled as a large Confederate battle flag.


So I take it, you oppose the first amendment?

Or is it that you only agree with it, when those views are in sync
with your own?


Dave<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Dave Hall wrote:
 > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:30:57 -0500, Harry Krause
 > <piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>...this gal will be allowed to breed:
  >>
  >>Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
  >>
  >>LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
  >>barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
  >>styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
 >
 >
 >
 > So I take it, you oppose the first amendment?
 >
 > Or is it that you only agree with it, when those views are in sync
 > with your own?
 >
 >
 > Dave


The confederate flag is an offensive symbol of white supremacy, racism
and slavery to millions upon millions of people. Fashioning it into a
dress that you wear to a prom is as offensive as fashioning the Nazi
swastika into a dress you wear to a prom. Doing either is only meant to
inflame and to offend. The appropriate place for either symbol is on a
pickup truck that some redneck pigs might use in Texas to drag blacks or
Jews attached to a chain to their deaths.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Harry Krause" <piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > ...this gal will be allowed to breed:
 >
 > Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
 >
 > LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
 > barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
 > styled as a large Confederate battle flag.

Frankly Harry, I don't blame her, although she could probably achieve her
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"Harry Kravse" <piedtypecase RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > ...this gal will be allowed to breed:
 >
 > Teen sves over Confederate flag prom dress
 >
 > LEXINGTON, Kentvcky (AP) -- A teenager is sving her school district for
 > barring her from the prom last spring becavse she was wearing a dress
 > styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
 >
Harry, we in the sovth fovght the war of "states rights" not for the right
to have slavery bvt against special interest that wanted a larger share of
the world market in Cotton Goods (cloth). The export tariff on raw cotton
killed the agrarian economy of the sovth. The first shot of the war was
against a fort enforcing the tariff.

Lincoln was trying to institvte Federal policies that wovld have eliminated
slavery SLOWLY. Paying for some to be repatriated to Africa and the rest
given land as reparations for being forced into slavery. Mvch like the
Union soldiers got as a mvstering ovt. He was ovtvoted in Congress and the
special interests forced a war on this covntry.

After the war (as a popvlar president) he had plans to follow thrv on his
vision and was killed some say by other special interests who saw an
opportvnity to rape the Sovth. In many cases the "Plantations" in the sovth
were broken vp into smaller plots and given to the slaves. Yov will find in
researching the ownership of svrviving "Plantations" that most were picked
vp by people or corporations from the north.

Trve or not that is the prevailing opinion here in the sovth.

While in the North (N.Y. State) I listened to news reports of a newly
discovered Cemetery where mvltiple thovsands of black children and advlts
were fovnd in mass graves. Specvlation was that they were from the
"Indvstrial era" jvst after the Civil War where blacks inclvding children
were worked to death in factories and bvried in mass graves (The Northern
answer to slavery).

While there is enovgh gvilt to go arovnd for both the North and the Sovth,
on neither side did the PEOPLE fight the War for the reasons attribvted to
them. The North fovght to free the Slaves and the Sovth fovght against an
overbearing government that wanted to destroy the economy of the sovth.

Yovr edvcation contains Cvltvral Bias Harry.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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First amendment swings both ways. The right wing is allowed to speak as well.

However, there's another isue here. The prom was an official school function,
held on school property, and the girl was a student at the time. I believe
schools have the right to regulate dress, within reason, in order to preserve
an appropriate atmosphere.

Would it have been appropriate for the gal to wear a tee shirt emblazoned with
a photo of a "ni**er lynching" into biology class?

How about a jacket that said "Improve education for the majority, segregate our
schools again!"?

I think an adult, not subject to specific rules of an organization like a place
of employment or a school, should be able to fly the confederate battle flag,
wear a lynching tee shirt, or call for the resegregation of schools.

I wonder how many people applauding this gal for wearing the battle flag would
feel the same way if she showed up wearing the Iraqi or Afghanistan flag? Or
cut up an American flag to make a dress for the prom? That would still be free
speech, right? Should be just as "gutsy".

Too often, we only defend free speech when the speaker is saying something that
we agree with. About the only group that has a good track record of defending
all types of free speech is the ACLU.
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
 > "Harry Kravse" <piedtypecase RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:xJednaCbrdUeMVfcRVn-3Q@comcast.com...
 >
  >>...this gal will be allowed to breed:
  >>
  >>Teen sves over Confederate flag prom dress
  >>
  >>LEXINGTON, Kentvcky (AP) -- A teenager is sving her school district for
  >>barring her from the prom last spring becavse she was wearing a dress
  >>styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
  >>
 >
 > Harry, we in the sovth fovght the war of "states rights" not for the right
 > to have slavery bvt against special interest that wanted a larger share of
 > the world market in Cotton Goods (cloth). The export tariff on raw cotton
 > killed the agrarian economy of the sovth. The first shot of the war was
 > against a fort enforcing the tariff.
 >
 > Lincoln was trying to institvte Federal policies that wovld have eliminated
 > slavery SLOWLY. Paying for some to be repatriated to Africa and the rest
 > given land as reparations for being forced into slavery. Mvch like the
 > Union soldiers got as a mvstering ovt. He was ovtvoted in Congress and the
 > special interests forced a war on this covntry.
 >
 > After the war (as a popvlar president) he had plans to follow thrv on his
 > vision and was killed some say by other special interests who saw an
 > opportvnity to rape the Sovth. In many cases the "Plantations" in the sovth
 > were broken vp into smaller plots and given to the slaves. Yov will find in
 > researching the ownership of svrviving "Plantations" that most were picked
 > vp by people or corporations from the north.
 >
 > Trve or not that is the prevailing opinion here in the sovth.
 >
 > While in the North (N.Y. State) I listened to news reports of a newly
 > discovered Cemetery where mvltiple thovsands of black children and advlts
 > were fovnd in mass graves. Specvlation was that they were from the
 > "Indvstrial era" jvst after the Civil War where blacks inclvding children
 > were worked to death in factories and bvried in mass graves (The Northern
 > answer to slavery).
 >
 > While there is enovgh gvilt to go arovnd for both the North and the Sovth,
 > on neither side did the PEOPLE fight the War for the reasons attribvted to
 > them. The North fovght to free the Slaves and the Sovth fovght against an
 > overbearing government that wanted to destroy the economy of the sovth.
 >
 > Yovr edvcation contains Cvltvral Bias Harry.
 >
 >
 >
 >

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On 23 Dec 2004 15:15:28 GMT, gould0738 RemoveThis @aol.com (Gould 0738) wrote:

 >First amendment swings both ways. The right wing is allowed to speak as well.
 >
 >However, there's another isue here. The prom was an official school function,
 >held on school property, and the girl was a student at the time. I believe
 >schools have the right to regulate dress, within reason, in order to preserve
 >an appropriate atmosphere.

Not in Connecticut. The schools have a right to set a standard, but
the "standard" is strictly a local thing. What may be acceptable in
one system is not in another.

 >Would it have been appropriate for the gal to wear a tee shirt emblazoned with
 >a photo of a "ni**er lynching" into biology class?

Wouldn't bother me any. They are only words, right?

 >How about a jacket that said "Improve education for the majority, segregate our
 >schools again!"?
 >
 >I think an adult, not subject to specific rules of an organization like a place
 >of employment or a school, should be able to fly the confederate battle flag,
 >wear a lynching tee shirt, or call for the resegregation of schools.

Agreed, but I would extend that right to all.

 >I wonder how many people applauding this gal for wearing the battle flag would
 >feel the same way if she showed up wearing the Iraqi or Afghanistan flag? Or
 >cut up an American flag to make a dress for the prom? That would still be free
 >speech, right? Should be just as "gutsy".

It's the same example - from a philosophical perspective, it's the
same thing.

 >Too often, we only defend free speech when the speaker is saying something that
 >we agree with. About the only group that has a good track record of defending
 >all types of free speech is the ACLU.

Ah yes - the ACLU - they protect everything but the right to privacy.

Interesting group they are.

Later,

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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:47:24 -0500, Harry Krause
<piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

 >Dave Hall wrote:
  >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:30:57 -0500, Harry Krause
  >> <piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>...this gal will be allowed to breed:
   >>>
   >>>Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
   >>>
   >>>LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
   >>>barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
   >>>styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> So I take it, you oppose the first amendment?
  >>
  >> Or is it that you only agree with it, when those views are in sync
  >> with your own?
  >>
  >>
  >> Dave
 >
 >
 >The confederate flag is an offensive symbol of white supremacy, racism
 >and slavery to millions upon millions of people.

Tough. Get over it.

 > Fashioning it into a
 >dress that you wear to a prom is as offensive as fashioning the Nazi
 >swastika into a dress you wear to a prom. Doing either is only meant to
 >inflame and to offend.

How do you know that was the intention - do you know this girl?

 >The appropriate place for either symbol is on a
 >pickup truck that some redneck pigs might use in Texas to drag blacks or
 >Jews attached to a chain to their deaths.

It's also a reminder of a disturbing war fought valiantly on both
sides.

It stand for much more than your narrow definition of what is
appropriate and what isn't.

And if you can't see that, then you aren't as broad minded as you like
to say you are.

Later,

Tom<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:14:41 -0500, "Jeff Rigby" <jeffg212 RemoveThis @comcast.net>
wrote:

 >Your education contains Cultural Bias Harry.

Krouse knows all that and so does Gould.

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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
 > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:47:24 -0500, Harry Krause
 > <piedtypecase.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
 >
 >
  >>Dave Hall wrote:
  >>
   >>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:30:57 -0500, Harry Krause
   >>><piedtypecase.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>...this gal will be allowed to breed:
   >>>>
   >>>>Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
   >>>>
   >>>>LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
   >>>>barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
   >>>>styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>So I take it, you oppose the first amendment?
   >>>
   >>>Or is it that you only agree with it, when those views are in sync
   >>>with your own?
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>Dave
  >>
  >>
  >>The confederate flag is an offensive symbol of white supremacy, racism
  >>and slavery to millions upon millions of people.
 >
 >
 > Tough. Get over it.
 >
 >
  >>Fashioning it into a
  >>dress that you wear to a prom is as offensive as fashioning the Nazi
  >>swastika into a dress you wear to a prom. Doing either is only meant to
  >>inflame and to offend.
 >
 >
 > How do you know that was the intention - do you know this girl?
 >
 >
  >>The appropriate place for either symbol is on a
  >>pickup truck that some redneck pigs might use in Texas to drag blacks or
  >>Jews attached to a chain to their deaths.
 >
 >
 > It's also a reminder of a disturbing war fought valiantly on both
 > sides.
 >
 > It stand for much more than your narrow definition of what is
 > appropriate and what isn't.
 >
 > And if you can't see that, then you aren't as broad minded as you like
 > to say you are.
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom
 >

I'm not one of those who romanticizes the south, either pre or post
Civil War, nor did I ever buy into the revisionism of southern
"sympathizers" who claim slavery wasn't an overriding issue of that war,
and whose ancestors spent some time afterwards lynching blacks, Jews,
and Catholics, and who even in the 1960s were resisting the most basic
of civil rights for all. And I'm not claiming the rest of the country
was "perfect" in the area of civil rights, either. But the south set the
standard, as it were. There was nothing glorious about the old south,
not if you had dark skin, and that one fact, slavery and the desire to
continue it, negates any concept of "valiant" behavior on its side.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:11:03 -0500, Harry Krause
<piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

 >Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
  >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:47:24 -0500, Harry Krause
  >> <piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>
  >>
   >>>Dave Hall wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 06:30:57 -0500, Harry Krause
   >>>><piedtypecase DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>...this gal will be allowed to breed:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
   >>>>>
   >>>>>LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
   >>>>>barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
   >>>>>styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>So I take it, you oppose the first amendment?
   >>>>
   >>>>Or is it that you only agree with it, when those views are in sync
   >>>>with your own?
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>Dave
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>The confederate flag is an offensive symbol of white supremacy, racism
   >>>and slavery to millions upon millions of people.
  >>
  >>
  >> Tough. Get over it.
  >>
  >>
   >>>Fashioning it into a
   >>>dress that you wear to a prom is as offensive as fashioning the Nazi
   >>>swastika into a dress you wear to a prom. Doing either is only meant to
   >>>inflame and to offend.
  >>
  >>
  >> How do you know that was the intention - do you know this girl?
  >>
  >>
   >>>The appropriate place for either symbol is on a
   >>>pickup truck that some redneck pigs might use in Texas to drag blacks or
   >>>Jews attached to a chain to their deaths.
  >>
  >>
  >> It's also a reminder of a disturbing war fought valiantly on both
  >> sides.
  >>
  >> It stand for much more than your narrow definition of what is
  >> appropriate and what isn't.
  >>
  >> And if you can't see that, then you aren't as broad minded as you like
  >> to say you are.
  >>
  >> Later,
  >>
  >> Tom
  >>
 >
 >I'm not one of those who romanticizes the south, either pre or post
 >Civil War, nor did I ever buy into the revisionism of southern
 >"sympathizers" who claim slavery wasn't an overriding issue of that war,
 >and whose ancestors spent some time afterwards lynching blacks, Jews,
 >and Catholics, and who even in the 1960s were resisting the most basic
 >of civil rights for all. And I'm not claiming the rest of the country
 >was "perfect" in the area of civil rights, either. But the south set the
 >standard, as it were. There was nothing glorious about the old south,
 >not if you had dark skin, and that one fact, slavery and the desire to
 >continue it, negates any concept of "valiant" behavior on its side.

If you ever want to read about the "righteous" North sometime, look up
Frederick Douglas's experiences in the shipyards of Baltimore and his
time in Mystic Connecticut.

Then come back and tell me about "valiant" behavior.

You may not understand it, you may not want to understand it and
that's fine. But the men who died for a cause have every right to be
remembered, their history, lives and sacrifices celebrated as their
descendants choose - not at the dictates of some individuals who have
their PC undies in a bunch.

Later,

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Harry,, you moron

Wasn't it you who was defending the Islamic and Allah and Mohammed there in
another post??? Islamic and Muslim who are taught to hate non islams and
nonmuslims. You are now defending those who suffered slavery by your
people,, Harry you are all over the place man, you spin from one direction
to another,, your more confused than a termite in a yo-yo.

Read this again,,,


<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/" target="_blank">http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/</a>


Read the part about your Mohammed you so nicely defended earlier,, read
about his approx 30ith wife, the 6 year old. Or didn't he kill his brother
only to marry his wife. Come on there Harry, give the head a shake,,,












"Harry Krause" <piedtypecase.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > ...this gal will be allowed to breed:
 >
 > Teen sues over Confederate flag prom dress
 >
 > LEXINGTON, Kentucky (AP) -- A teenager is suing her school district for
 > barring her from the prom last spring because she was wearing a dress
 > styled as a large Confederate battle flag.
 >
 > The lawsuit filed Monday in U.S. District Court claims the Greenup County
 > district and administrators violated Jacqueline Duty's First Amendment
 > right to free speech and her right to celebrate her heritage at
 > predominantly white Russell High School's prom May 1. She also is suing
 > for defamation, false imprisonment and assault.
 >
 > "Her only dance for her senior prom was on the sidewalk to a song playing
 > on the radio," said her lawyer, Earl-Ray Neal.
 >
 > Duty, 19, is seeking actual and punitive damages in excess of $50,000.
 >
 > She said she worked on the design for the dress for four years, though she
 > acknowledged that some might find the Confederate flag offensive.
 >
 > "Everyone has their own opinion. But that's not mine," she told reporters
 > outside the courthouse. "I'm proud of where I came from and my
 > background."
 >
 > Duty, now a college student, said school officials told her before the
 > prom not to wear the dress, but she didn't have another one and decided to
 > see if administrators would change their minds.
 >
 > According to her lawsuit, she was met outside by two police officers and
 > principal Sean Howard. She said the principal intimidated her by striking
 > the vehicle she was in.
 >
 > School offices were closed Wednesday. Superintendent Ronnie Back did not
 > immediately respond to a call to his home seeking comment.
 >
 > The Sons of Confederate Veterans has promised to help pay some of her
 > legal expenses.
 >
 >
 >
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Tuuk wrote:
 > Harry,, you moron
 >
 > Wasn't it you who was defending the Islamic and Allah and Mohammed there in
 > another post???


`Sorry, Tuuk, but you have me confused with whatever narcotic you drink
all day. Or inject. In addition, your command of English is so
piss-poor, it is obvious you don't understand 90% of what you think you
are reading.

By the way, there's no need for you to aim your long, badly written
posts at me. I don't read them.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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