What is easyier on the sholders?

Micheal Artindale wrote:
> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> currently has some sholder problems.
>
> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
>
> Thanks
>
> Micheal
>
>
Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
(like me...).
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On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, BobCP <ctcboa....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Micheal Artindale wrote:
> > My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> > currently has some sholder problems.
>
> > In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Micheal
>
> Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
> if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
> long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
> (like me...).

As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?

No thanks! Confirmed butt boater here!

John Kuthe...
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On Mar 5, 7:26 pm, BobCP <ctcboa....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, BobCP <ctcboa....RemoveThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Micheal Artindale wrote:
> >>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> >>> currently has some sholder problems.
> >>> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Micheal
> >> Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
> >> if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
> >> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
> >> long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
> >> (like me...).
>
> > As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?
>
> > No thanks! Confirmed butt boater here!
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Well, I figured that he probably wouldn't be kneeling on a cruise.
>
> Personally, I tried a kayak. Gave it up when I found my back seized up
> after about 45 minutes. Now I paddle a C-1 with a 5.5" high seat and an
> open canoe with a 6" high seat. Comfy! ;>D

You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.

Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?

John Kuthe...
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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, BobCP <ctcboa... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
>>> currently has some sholder problems.
>>> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
>>> Thanks
>>> Micheal
>> Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
>> if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
>> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
>> long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
>> (like me...).
>
> As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?
>
> No thanks! Confirmed butt boater here!
>
> John Kuthe...

Well, I figured that he probably wouldn't be kneeling on a cruise.

Personally, I tried a kayak. Gave it up when I found my back seized up
after about 45 minutes. Now I paddle a C-1 with a 5.5" high seat and an
open canoe with a 6" high seat. Comfy! ;>D
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> > >> Micheal Artindale wrote:
> > >>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> > >>> currently has some sholder problems.
> > >>> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?

> > >> Depends on your and his experience.  Probably easier to paddle a kayak
> > >> if both of you are novices.  One thing to watch out for:  In a kayak,
> > >> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
> > >> long periods.  Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
> > >> (like me...).
>
> > > As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?
>
> You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>
> Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?
>
> John Kuthe...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have had a shoulder problem for 25 years and have spent hundreds
of days canoe-touring in an open (Canadian) canoe. The big advantage
of Canadian canoe over kayak is you can vary your paddling position
and your paddling stroke so you aren't straining the same muscles over
long periods of time.
John doesn't seem to understand the difference between canoe touring
and competitive or whitewater canoeing. If I am canoeing in white
water or when there are big waves I kneel in my canoe for greater
stability, but on flat water I usually sit as it is more comfortable
for longer periods. (If you want to go at maximum speed in a Canadian
canoe you need to kneel, which is why competitive canoeing is done
kneeling.)
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> On Mar 5, 7:26 pm, BobCP <ctcboa... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> > On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, BobCP <ctcboa... DeleteThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >> Micheal Artindale wrote:
>> >>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
>> >>> currently has some sholder problems.
>> >>> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>> Micheal
>> >> Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
>> >> if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
>> >> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
>> >> long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so
>> >> much
>> >> (like me...).
>>
>> > As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?
>>
>> > No thanks! Confirmed butt boater here!
>>
>> > John Kuthe...
>>
>> Well, I figured that he probably wouldn't be kneeling on a cruise.
>>
>> Personally, I tried a kayak. Gave it up when I found my back seized up
>> after about 45 minutes. Now I paddle a C-1 with a 5.5" high seat and an
>> open canoe with a 6" high seat. Comfy! ;>D
>
> You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>
> Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?
>
> John Kuthe...

You can do either. I have and although you are more stable when kneeling,
for those long trips, I sit

Micheal
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>    I have had a shoulder problem for 25 years and have spent hundreds
> of days canoe-touring in an open (Canadian) canoe. The big advantage
> of Canadian canoe over kayak is you can vary your paddling position
> and your paddling stroke so you aren't straining the same muscles over
> long periods of time.
>   John doesn't seem to understand the difference between canoe touring
> and competitive or whitewater canoeing. If I am canoeing in white
> water or when there are big waves I  kneel in my canoe for greater
> stability, but on flat water I usually sit as it is more comfortable
> for longer periods. (If you want to go at maximum speed in a Canadian
> canoe you need to kneel, which is why competitive canoeing is done
> kneeling.)-
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry, I seemed to have pushed the wrong button and posted this
comment before I had completed writing it.

I stopped using a kayak because I found that paddling in the same
sitting position was a strain on my back and aggravated the shoulder
injury. Youngsters shouldn't have problems with kayaks, but I suspect
that older newcomers to canoeing would be better in canoes than
kayaks.

I have posted a few articles on canoe touring as well as the first
draft of a canoe guide to europe on a new website http://www.ancientbrit-adventures.com
. (Before accessing you should be aware that I have included naturist
photos on this site.)

Ancient Brit (Brian Johnson)
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per Micheal Artindale:
>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
>> currently has some sholder problems.

Are you planning on doing some paddling before the trip? If not, you're
asking for trouble. Either activity could aggravate shoulder problems
and there's no way to know how his body will react unless you try it.
More over, there are paddling techniques and safety skills you need to
learn before you embark on a trip. It's not a case of "jump in and go".
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On Mar 5, 9:44 pm, John Kuthe <johnku....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 7:26 pm, BobCP <ctcboa....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, BobCP <ctcboa....DeleteThis@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >> Micheal Artindale wrote:
> > >>> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> > >>> currently has some sholder problems.
> > >>> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>> Micheal
> > >> Depends on your and his experience. Probably easier to paddle a kayak
> > >> if both of you are novices. One thing to watch out for: In a kayak,
> > >> you will have to sit with your legs straight out in front of you for
> > >> long periods. Some people are comfortable doing that, some not so much
> > >> (like me...).
>
> > > As opposed to being on your knees for long periods?
>
> > > No thanks! Confirmed butt boater here!
>
> > > John Kuthe...
>
> > Well, I figured that he probably wouldn't be kneeling on a cruise.
>
> > Personally, I tried a kayak. Gave it up when I found my back seized up
> > after about 45 minutes. Now I paddle a C-1 with a 5.5" high seat and an
> > open canoe with a 6" high seat. Comfy! ;>D
>
> You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>
> Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?
>
> John Kuthe...

In a canoe, I do both, depending on the conditions of course. WW
paddling - I'm kneeling. Flat water, I'm sitting and changing leg
positions regularly.

My wife and I canoed about 2,200 miles down the Mississippi and
Atchafalaya rivers in 2005, and I might have kneeled a grand total of
a half mile the entire trip.

-John Pugh
www.sourcetosea.net
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John Kuthe wrote:
> You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>
> Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?

That would be canoeists, butt boater.

Some people sit, some kneel. In WW or doing freestyle, I kneel. When I'm
doing 10 miles of flatwater, I go back and forth.

Kayakers, on the other hand, have no choices.

Steve
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Steve Cramer wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>>
>> Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?
>
> That would be canoeists, butt boater.
>
> Some people sit, some kneel. In WW or doing freestyle, I kneel. When I'm
> doing 10 miles of flatwater, I go back and forth.
>
> Kayakers, on the other hand, have no choices.
>
> Steve

And let's not forget all those people who stand up, like polers. Heck,
I've even done Class 3 standing. (A long, long time ago, in an Old Town
Pathfinder.)
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On Mar 7, 9:00 pm, Steve Cramer <cramer....TakeThisOut@charter.net> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > You don't sit in a canoe, you kneel. You sit in a kayak.
>
> > Any canoers wanna chime in on this one?
>
> That would be canoeists, butt boater.
>
> Some people sit, some kneel. In WW or doing freestyle, I kneel. When I'm
> doing 10 miles of flatwater, I go back and forth.
>
> Kayakers, on the other hand, have no choices.

Hee hee! I guess canoeists have to keep moving around because they
can't get comfortable!

John Kuthe...
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On Mar 5, 1:09 pm, "Micheal Artindale" <michealartind....RemoveThis@eastlink.ca>
wrote:
> My father and I will be doing a small river trip of about 3 days/ He
> currently has some sholder problems.
>
> In general, is it easyier to paddle a canoe or a kayak?
>
> Thanks
>
> Micheal

Whichever you choose you should both go in the same boat. If the
shoulder gives out you can still keep going. In separate boats his
would come to a stop.

Two in a boat is more power. Kayaks have less resistance so would do
better, with less accumulated effort over the trip.

As has been mentioned, canoes are more accomodating for the paddlers
and load. If you are on a river trip you can lie back and let the
current take you. Only one paddler has to be upright to steer. The
other can nap, sunbathe, whatever. In a canoe you can lean against the
packs.

I'd choose the canoe.
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