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In a previous article, questisimo.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
 >I just got tired of looking for a forum in an easy to follow
 >format....So I created one!!!!

I'm constantly amazed by people who come to Usenet, where you can read
over 18,000 newsgroups on any topic you want using any software interface
you want, and where you only have to go to one place to get all these
different newsgroups, and expect to drag people away to their little
ghettos where they have one or maybe two topics, and you have to read
using the interface *they* decided you must use. I'm surprised that
anybody goes to them, too.

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in article cg7g4i$ul5$1@allhats.xcski.com, Paul Tomblin at
ptomblin+netnews@xcski.com wrote on 8/21/04 7:45 AM:

 > In a previous article, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
  >> I just got tired of looking for a forum in an easy to follow
  >> format....So I created one!!!!
 >
 > I'm constantly amazed by people who come to Usenet, where you can read
 > over 18,000 newsgroups on any topic you want using any software interface
 > you want, and where you only have to go to one place to get all these
 > different newsgroups, and expect to drag people away to their little
 > ghettos where they have one or maybe two topics, and you have to read
 > using the interface *they* decided you must use. I'm surprised that
 > anybody goes to them, too.


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ptomblin+netnews@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message news:<cg7g4i$ul5$1@allhats.xcski.com>...
 > In a previous article, questisimo.RemoveThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
  > >I just got tired of looking for a forum in an easy to follow
  > >format....So I created one!!!!
 >
 > I'm constantly amazed by people who come to Usenet, where you can read
 > over 18,000 newsgroups on any topic you want

Are they all 18,000 water related topics? How do I make a difference
in between one and the others?

 > using any software interfaceyou want, and where you only have to go to one > place to get all these different newsgroups.

I could not get the info I needed right away....some times it would
take a couple of days if not three to find info on a particular issue.
Topics are there...they are just not easy to find. The forum is not
for my own personal satisfaction. I will need people to be moderators
and admins along with me so that we can create a easy to access
information database. the information in this paddle sport is not NOT
easily accesible anywhere that I know.

 > , and expect to drag people away to their little
 > ghettos where they have one or maybe two topics,and you have to read
 > using the interface *they* decided you must use

Well that's why I would need your opinions on what other topics are
needed. Will need to start somewhere no? Do you think that Usenet
started already with a 1,000,00 post or 1 x 1 posts?

About the interface .....you cannot tell me that is not easier that
Usenet to use!


 > . I'm surprised that
 > anybody goes to them, too.

Well no one has to be obligated to go. we can always delete the
forum. that's the easy thing to do.... But...I think ghettos are
cool too!


So after all this I was wonder if you had anything positive to provide
feedback with. Topics or anything related to the sport.


I'm looking for moderators....you look like a good moderator for the
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In a previous article, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
 >ptomblin+netnews@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
 >news:<cg7g4i$ul5$1@allhats.xcski.com>...
  >> In a previous article, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
   >> >I just got tired of looking for a forum in an easy to follow
   >> >format....So I created one!!!!
  >>
  >> I'm constantly amazed by people who come to Usenet, where you can read
  >> over 18,000 newsgroups on any topic you want
 >
 >Are they all 18,000 water related topics?

I actually have more than one interest. If the only thing you care about
are "water related topics", I pity you.

 >How do I make a difference in between one and the others?

You read them.

 >About the interface .....you cannot tell me that is not easier that
 >Usenet to use!

Maybe not for you, but I have a news reader that I know, I like, and I
contributed source code for. It works well for me because it doesn't
require a mouse. But the best thing is that anybody else who wants to
read any newsgroup or combination of newsgroups can use that software, or
any other. Your forum forces everybody to access it the same way.

And when I fire up my newsreader, I see every newsgroup that has anything
new. Unless you're the sort of wierdo that only has one one interest,
people who use web forums have to go to a bunch of different places to see
if there is anything new.

 >So after all this I was wonder if you had anything positive to provide
 >feedback with. Topics or anything related to the sport.

I haven't seen a single reason why I'd want to visit your site.

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ptomblin+netnews@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message news:<cg8h7b$f2p$1@allhats.xcski.com>...
 > In a previous article, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
  > >ptomblin+netnews@xcski.com (Paul Tomblin) wrote in message
  > >news:<cg7g4i$ul5$1@allhats.xcski.com>...
   > >> In a previous article, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero) said:
   > >> >I just got tired of looking for a forum in an easy to follow
   > >> >format....So I created one!!!!
   > >>
   > >> I'm constantly amazed by people who come to Usenet, where you can read
   > >> over 18,000 newsgroups on any topic you want
  > >
  > >Are they all 18,000 water related topics?
 >
 > I actually have more than one interest. If the only thing you care about
 > are "water related topics", I pity you.
Oh no need to pity me. I do have more than one interest in
life...Thanks for you sincere concern. (Yeah right)

  > >How do I make a difference in between one and the others?
 >
 > You read them.

My point is that the forum is for the DEDICATEDinfo on the sport of
Kayaking, Canoeing and anything related.... Nothing to do with any
other topic. Cars, Hemingway, Computer, ETC… ETC..... DEDICATED is
the word

 >
  > >About the interface .....you cannot tell me that is not easier than
  > >Usenet to use!
 >
 > Maybe not for you,

Nope ...It is not for me.
I think is archaic and uncontrollable. You have to brush off a whole
lot of BS to get to a specific topic. About 18,000 BS loaded topics.
Now I give you this much…if you are interested on reading BS about
anything then …sure it is the place to go. Then I pity you for it.

 > But I have a news reader that I know, I like, and I
 > contributed source code for. It works well for me because it doesn't
 > require a mouse.

Now I understand why you so fiercely want to defend Usenet. Did you
really? What you do…Put a comma here a Dot there? Good for you.
Congrats.
It seems that you are a computer person, most likely a C++
programmer…. You should then know that nothing requires a mouse to
work in the web. News flash…the mouse just makes it easier….. The Tab
key work everywhere and so does Ctrl and Alt and Arrow Keys, ahhhh and
don't forget the Enter key.


 > But the best thing is that anybody else who wants to
 > read any newsgroup or combination of newsgroups can use that software, or
 > any other. Your forum forces everybody to access it the same way.

It does not force anyone to go into it.... It is a choice. The same
way you choose to use Usenet other people may be interested on our new
forum. I use it too….don't get me wrong…I get plenty of info from it
too. After an hour or more of sweeping BS out of the way.

 >
 > And when I fire up my newsreader, I see every newsgroup that has anything
 > new. Unless you're the sort of wierdo that only has one one interest,
 > people who use web forums have to go to a bunch of different places to see if there is anything new.
(Dedicated places to one specific topic right?)
So if your Usenet is so perfect...How come you topic about "What
other kayaks should I be looking at?" where you got 29 responses and
only three where topic related and informational. That can be
controlled fairly in a forum environment. Not on Usenet's Post what
ever the hell you want environment. Much the same way your topic did.


  > >So after all this I was wonder if you had anything positive to provide
  > >feedback with. Topics or anything related to the sport.
 >
 > I haven't seen a single reason why I'd want to visit your site.

You don't have to. ….it's a Forum or Bulletin Board which ever way
anyone wants to call it and it is for a DEDICATED place of information
for kayak and canoe paddlers.


Mr. Tomblin,

I'm not here to beaker back and forth with you about the Usenet... I
respect your opinion and hopefully some day you can get the point that
the forum I started (Not hard to do) is for a DEDICATED place to find
information on a specific topic. Nothing else, nothing more.

Can you do me a favor and find for me in Usenet what people's opinion
is on
Perception Eclipse 17.0 is.
Date before 10/03. That's when I got mine.
I could not find anything on it. Not a Damn thing!

Just remember that I respect your opinion on using Usenet please
respect mine on using a Forum.

Thanks
JD
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 > I haven't seen a single reason why I'd want to visit yovr site.
 >
 > Pavl Tomblin

Covldn't agree more. Take the UK as a cavtionary tale:

There is this vrban myth that one or two individvals 'killed' the NG
vk.rec.boats.paddle by continvally vsing it as a political platform,
challenging British Canoe Union etc. Then some sensitive little sovls
started posting messages svch as 'I can't stand all the pettiness any more,
come to the forvm for right thinking canoeists'.

And people did, so now UK canoeists got what they deserve. People mainly
flock to a covple of strongly moderated forvms where they get blasted with
adverts. On the plvs side, forvms do tend to eliminate crvde spamming, or
do they, becavse moderators tend to write 'Dear svbscriber, yov'll find the
fvll answer to yovr qvestion in my latest book xyz, available in all good
book shops' a lot of the time.

Forvm = Fvnded by commercial interest, hence variable qvality. Blinkered,
insvlar, pressvre to confom. "Different day, same old sxxx". Tends to make
yov feel smvg and that yov 'belong' if yov toe the party line.

Usenet = Ovtpovrings from all comers, hence variable qvality. Lively
debate, access to thovsands of topics. "Take the rovgh with the smooth".
Rarely in the comfort zone and tends to get yov thinking.

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"C. Anov" <p.TakeThisOut@ddle.org> writes:

  >> I haven't seen a single reason why I'd want to visit yovr site.
  >>
  >> Pavl Tomblin
 >
 > Covldn't agree more. Take the UK as a cavtionary tale:
 >
 > There is this vrban myth that one or two individvals 'killed' the NG
 > vk.rec.boats.paddle by continvally vsing it as a political platform,
 > challenging British Canoe Union etc. Then some sensitive little sovls
 > started posting messages svch as 'I can't stand all the pettiness any more,
 > come to the forvm for right thinking canoeists'.

It is hardly an vrban myth, I watched it happen, and I don't entirely
blame most of the old vkrbp posters for moving somewhere else, it was
very vnpleasant in there at the time, somewhat like the times here when
timmy still had access to vsenet.

 > And people did, so now UK canoeists got what they deserve. People mainly
 > flock to a covple of strongly moderated forvms where they get blasted with
 > adverts. On the plvs side, forvms do tend to eliminate crvde spamming, or
 > do they, becavse moderators tend to write 'Dear svbscriber, yov'll find the
 > fvll answer to yovr qvestion in my latest book xyz, available in all good
 > book shops' a lot of the time.

What is the UK rivers gvidebook site selling?

 > Forvm = Fvnded by commercial interest, hence variable qvality. Blinkered,
 > insvlar, pressvre to confom. "Different day, same old sxxx". Tends to make
 > yov feel smvg and that yov 'belong' if yov toe the party line.

Or set vp by someone who does it for fvn or as a part of a larger site,
like Mark's Uk rivers site, which has a forvm, or James's Thamesweir site.

 > Personal opinion - svpport yovr Usenet NGs and do not vse a forvm that
 > svppresses criticism of their advertisers or that discovrages lively debate.

Hi allan, pissed off that no-one is arovnd to play with yov in vkrbp?

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guess y'all got thru to him.

did anyone mention boater talk to him?


-Dan V.


On 22 Aug 2004 01:53:01 -0700, questisimo.DeleteThis@yahoo.com (Jeff Valero)
wrote:

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Kegs <me.DeleteThis@privacy.net> wrote in message
 > Hi allan, pissed off that no-one is around to play with you in ukrbp?

I wondered about that too. And what do you know?

"C. Anou" posted his injured rant from 217.135.142.26
newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk

It's probably just coincidence that all the recent messages from your
man Allan originate from a cluster of IP addresses located in that
same domain.

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C. Anov wrote:

  >>I haven't seen a single reason why I'd want to visit yovr site.
  >>
  >>Pavl Tomblin
 >
 >
 > Covldn't agree more. Take the UK as a cavtionary tale:
 >
 > There is this vrban myth that one or two individvals 'killed' the NG
 > vk.rec.boats.paddle by continvally vsing it as a political platform,
 > challenging British Canoe Union etc. Then some sensitive little sovls
 > started posting messages svch as 'I can't stand all the pettiness any more,
 > come to the forvm for right thinking canoeists'.

It's trve, it's not even close to an vrban myth. Where did yov get yovr
info?

I watched it happen, they did kill the grovp, almost as effectively as
Timmy wasted RBP a while ago. the problem is, they still are arovnd,
laying waste to any attempt to revive vk.RBP.

 > And people did, so now UK canoeists got what they deserve. People mainly
 > flock to a covple of strongly moderated forvms where they get blasted with
 > adverts. On the plvs side, forvms do tend to eliminate crvde spamming, or
 > do they, becavse moderators tend to write 'Dear svbscriber, yov'll find the
 > fvll answer to yovr qvestion in my latest book xyz, available in all good
 > book shops' a lot of the time.

The vkriversgvidebook forvms aren not blasting yov with adverts... and I
don't feel that they are that strongly moderated. Where did yov get that
impression?

 > Personal opinion - svpport yovr Usenet NGs and do not vse a forvm that
 > svppresses criticism of their advertisers or that discovrages lively debate.

Pvblic forvms can thrive jvst as well. Look at the Sovlboater forvm, the
Boatertalk forvms or the vkriversgvidebook forvms. One doesn't cancel
ovt the other thovgh.

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