Ducatti air-cooled diesel

Ducati is a division of Fiat.

'nuf said.

 >The only reference I can find is an old posting
 >from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
 >ominous.
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There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize
in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled
diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the
Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they
were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins..

I would imagine the spares make Volvo look like Perkins <G>

R.

On 30 Aug 2004 03:26:21 GMT, jaxashby RemoveThis @aol.com (JAXAshby) wrote:

 >Ducati is a division of Fiat.
 >
 >'nuf said.
 >
  >>The only reference I can find is an old posting
  >>from someone who "made the mistake of fitting one.." ! Sounds
  >>ominous.
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Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
but many of those negatives can be overcome.

Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
on the noise

Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
in even a small enclosed engine compartment.

My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
parts. I would suggest the following engine:

http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/product_detail.asp?catalogid=15&productid=40

The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
whatever trani you have been able to find.

Let us know how it works out for you


David
S/V Nausicaa
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:01:45 -0400, rhys <rhys.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:

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 >There's a Ducati motorbike dealership near me that seems to specialize
 >in high-end racer-type machines. I had no clue they made air-cooled
 >diesels, the last one of which I heard of in a private yacht being the
 >Lister, I believe, and you rarely see them, although I believe they
 >were reliable "big iron", like Ford Lehman and Perkins..
 >
The dude schooner Shenandoah, out of Vineyard Haven MA, uses a Lister
Diesel each morning to hose the pine decks with salt water, charge the
batteries, and wake the passengers.

It is very effective in the third task. I don't think a dead passenger
would be impervious.


Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC


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 > Others have already posted some negatives about aircooled engines in boats,
 > but many of those negatives can be overcome.
 >
 > Exhaust smoke/smell/ noise can be overcome by running the exhaust through
 > a water lift. The lift won't actually spit out any water, but if you fill
 > it up and clean it out occaisionally, it will filter the soot and cut down
 > on the noise
 >
 > Modern injected light weight aircooled diesels seem to run much cooler
 > than some of the earlier models from 40 years ago. It should be possible
 > to run a bilge fan off the power output of a flywheel style alternator
 > which would exchange enough air for at least an hour's worth of operation
 > in even a small enclosed engine compartment.
 >
 > My assumption is that aircooled is attractive to you on the basis of price
 > and that you have a limited volume in which to fit an engine. I also
 > assume that you intend to use it as a true auxillary in a sailboat, i.e.
 > you do not intend to do any extended motoring, you just want to maneuver
 > out of congested harbors. That said, you would be ill advised to use
 > anything from Ducati based upon initial cost and the price of repair
 > parts. I would suggest the following engine:
 >
<font color=purple> > <a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/product_detail.asp?catalogid=15&productid=40</font" target="_blank">http://launtop.com/ebusiness/en/product_detail.asp?catalogid=15&produc...=40<</a>>
 >
 > The LA186 is 10 hp and the last time I priced one out (before the dollar
 > tanked) the price was USD$250 FOB China. These guys actually make all the
 > aircooled diesels for Yanmar. These are the same engines that you see on
 > construction equipment like whacker packers (tampers for trench work).
 > They are very reliable and you can get parts from any Yanmar dealer
 > worldide. The price you pay for a whole engine is less than you would pays
 > for a baggie of bolts from a Ducati dealer. These engines also have a lot
 > of output shaft options allowing you to choose one that can easily mate to
 > whatever trani you have been able to find.
 >
 > Let us know how it works out for you
 >
 >
 > David
 > S/V Nausicaa


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 >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
 >Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
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  > >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
  > >Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
 >
 > I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
 > Fiat. 'nuf said.


  >> And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
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 >
 > To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
 > Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.

Well,.... you might want to check that before jumping in, it's not that
simple. Ducati Motorcycles, who also make small industrial engines is
Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. They are a significant part of the Aprilia
Group, which includes Aprilla, Moto Guzzi, etc.
The Aprilia group until very recently where majority owned by Agnelli.
Agnelli also owns 30% of Fiat. Fiat own Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and
Ferrari.

Fiat are linked to Ducati as much as Ford is to Aston Martin,Jaguar,
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Not to be picky, but if I read your description correctly, it sounds like
the Fiat/Ducati link is (or was?) more akin to the Aston/Jag link.
But thanks for the info; I hadn't been keeping up with these builders of
interesting automobiles.

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  > > To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
  > > Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
 >
 > Well,.... you might want to check that before jumping in, it's not that
 > simple. Ducati Motorcycles, who also make small industrial engines is
 > Ducati Motor Holding S.p.A. They are a significant part of the Aprilia
 > Group, which includes Aprilla, Moto Guzzi, etc.
 > The Aprilia group until very recently where majority owned by Agnelli.
 > Agnelli also owns 30% of Fiat. Fiat own Alfa Romeo, Maserati, and
 > Ferrari.
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johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size are
required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to their country
of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you know that this is
because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the USA as
"automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American public could
reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an automobile for its money.
The FTC won the suit.

   >> >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
   >> >Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
  >>
  >> I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
  >> Fiat. 'nuf said.
 >
 >
   >>> And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
 >fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
 >Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
 >American cars to complete shame.
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johnny, did you know that Ducati built the base engine for the Farymann marine
engine conversions? Did you know that most people with a Farymann installed
change it out because they get sick and tired of fixing it again and again and
again ?

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   >> >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about Italian
   >> >Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
  >>
  >> I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a division of
  >> Fiat. 'nuf said.
 >
 >
   >>> And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
 >fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
 >Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
 >American cars to complete shame.
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 > johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size
 > are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to
 > their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you
 > know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?

Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
a fire extinguisher.


 > also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
 > fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the
 > USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American
 > public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an
 > automobile for its money.
 > The FTC won the suit.

According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're
not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising?
Different animal..


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   >>> >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about
   >>> >Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
   >>>
   >>> I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a
   >>> division of Fiat. 'nuf said.
  >>
  >>
   >>>> And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
  >>fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
  >>Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
  >>American cars to complete shame.
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well, that is NOT what Fiat of American said.

but, who are they to know?

  >> johnny, did you know that fire extingishers of at least a certain size
  >> are required on ALL automobiles regestered in Italy without regard to
  >> their country of origin of history of catching fire? johnny, did you
  >> know that this is because Fiat automobiles catch fire so frequently?
 >
 >Not quite, Italy like all EEC countries requires all new cars after 1982
 >to carry a minumum of safety equipment, the content of which has
 >increased over the years but includes at least replacement bulbs for all
 >exterior lights, Warning triangle, first aid kit and yup, you guessed it
 >a fire extinguisher.
 >
 >
  >> also, johnny, did you know the FTC sued Fiat for false advertising and
  >> fraudulent sales because FIAT advertised and sold its products in the
  >> USA as "automobiles", and as such -- the FTC claimed -- the American
  >> public could reasonably expect to get something reasonably like an
  >> automobile for its money.
  >> The FTC won the suit.
 >
 >According to Lexus Nexus there's no suit, got a reference. Sure you're
 >not confusing the FTC Automotive legislative fiat on advertising?
 >Different animal..
 >
 >
  >>
   >>>> >To the person who said ducati is a part of fiat, learn about
   >>>> >Italian Motorsports. Ferrari is a division of fiat, not ducati.
   >>>>
   >>>> I appologize for not checking current sources. Ducati *was* a
   >>>> division of Fiat. 'nuf said.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>> And what do you mean by nuf' said? Are you aware of the fact that
   >>>fiat also builds airplane engines. Fiat is the leading manufacturer in
   >>>Europe. And, you can take a little fiat 1.3 on the expressway and put
   >>>American cars to complete shame.
   >>>
   >>>
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   >>>
   >>>
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