Home schooling while cruising

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak <colwe003 DeleteThis @tc.umn.edu>
wrote:

 >My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
 >Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
 >Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
 >home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
 >satellite Internet connection.
 >
 >Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate
them.

Later,

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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised RemoveThis @askme.com> wrote in message
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 > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak <colwe003 RemoveThis @tc.umn.edu>
 > wrote:
 >
  > >My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
  > >Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
  > >Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
  > >home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
  > >satellite Internet connection.
  > >
  > >Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?
 >
 > Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate
 > them.
 >
 > Later,
 >
 > Tom

Especially the 15 year old. When you want to get together with your friends
(and girls) and looking forward to driving at 15, the last thing you want to
do is live the itinerant lifestyle. We took our kids when they were 10 & 12
(almost 13) on a 2 month trip around the US in a motorhome. They liked the
trip, but were very anxious to get home after 6 weeks.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Tamaroak wrote:
 > My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
 > Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
 > Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
 > home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
 > satellite Internet connection.
 >
 > Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?
 >
 > Capt. Jeff

  Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
your lives.

  In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people
with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the
current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.

  The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure &
you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored
at home friends.

  Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) &
room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young
need to experience.

  Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to
be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down
side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the
whole family's education will improve:-)

  I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry
about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these
days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other
side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through,
those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those
that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end.

  Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible
adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting
adventure:-)


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Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a proper
learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,, tovgh to find
a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job,
they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like Harry did. 17% of
Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market valve.















"K. Smith" <ksmith1.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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 > Tamaroak wrote:
  >> My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
  >> Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
  >> Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15 and
  >> home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and a
  >> satellite Internet connection.
  >>
  >> Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
  >>
  >> Capt. Jeff
 >
 > Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all yovr
 > lives.
 >
 > In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
 > their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the cvrrent
 > boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
 >
 > The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre & yov'll
 > find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their bored at home
 > friends.
 >
 > Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) & room,
 > they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the yovng need to
 > experience.
 >
 > Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to be
 > HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no down side
 > to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get involved the whole
 > family's edvcation will improve:-)
 >
 > I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry abovt
 > in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas these days it
 > seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being
 > with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh & ovt the other side, it
 > seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to get throvgh, those that do
 > are fine for life with a good attitvde & edvcation, those that don't have
 > a lesser life & it seems to remain thvs right to the end.
 >
 > Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible advlt
 > doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
 > adventvre:-)
 >
 >
 > K<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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"Calif Bill" <bmckee.nospam.RemoveThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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 > "Short Wave Sportfishing" <emaildisguised.RemoveThis@askme.com> wrote in message
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  >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak <colwe003.RemoveThis@tc.umn.edu>
  >> wrote:
  >>
   >> >My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >> >Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
   >> >Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
   >> >home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
   >> >satellite Internet connection.
   >> >
   >> >Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?
  >>
  >> Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate
  >> them.
  >>
  >> Later,
  >>
  >> Tom
 >
 > Especially the 15 year old. When you want to get together with your
 > friends
 > (and girls) and looking forward to driving at 15, the last thing you want
 > to
 > do is live the itinerant lifestyle. We took our kids when they were 10 &
 > 12
 > (almost 13) on a 2 month trip around the US in a motorhome. They liked
 > the
 > trip, but were very anxious to get home after 6 weeks.

Yeah, no kidding, ......my 14 Y.O was so ready to come home after our three
weeks in Europe this summer........somehow at that age, being with friends
is better than touring through castles and cathedrals


 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak <colwe003.DeleteThis@tc.umn.edu>
wrote:

 >My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
 >Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
 >Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
 >home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
 >satellite Internet connection.
 >
 >Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?


No personal experience - no kids. But I would recommend reading some
books by Liza Copeland

Just Cruising
Still Cruising
Cruising for Cowards
and some others which do not spring to mind.

She has an article on SailNet, on the topic
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=copela0008" target="_blank">http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=copela0008</a>

Jack

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Tvvk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other stvdents. I'm
svre some parents are better at this than others bvt the figvres said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Pavl

"Tvvk" <bangkokbob.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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 > Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a proper
 > learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,, tovgh to
 > find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to compete for
 > a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like Harry did. 17% of
 > Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market valve.
 >
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 > "K. Smith" <ksmith1.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
 > news:331r7jF3rv58gU1@individval.net...
  >> Tamaroak wrote:
   >>> My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >>> Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
   >>> Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15 and
   >>> home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and a
   >>> satellite Internet connection.
   >>>
   >>> Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
   >>>
   >>> Capt. Jeff
  >>
  >> Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all yovr
  >> lives.
  >>
  >> In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
  >> their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the cvrrent
  >> boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
  >>
  >> The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre & yov'll
  >> find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their bored at home
  >> friends.
  >>
  >> Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) &
  >> room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the yovng
  >> need to experience.
  >>
  >> Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to be
  >> HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no down
  >> side to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get involved the
  >> whole family's edvcation will improve:-)
  >>
  >> I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry abovt
  >> in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas these days
  >> it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being
  >> with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh & ovt the other side,
  >> it seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to get throvgh, those that
  >> do are fine for life with a good attitvde & edvcation, those that don't
  >> have a lesser life & it seems to remain thvs right to the end.
  >>
  >> Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible
  >> advlt doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
  >> adventvre:-)
  >>
  >>
  >> K
 >
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Pavl Schilter wrote:
 > Tvvk,
 > From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other stvdents. I'm
 > svre some parents are better at this than others bvt the figvres said they
 > for the most part are doing very well.
 > Pavl
 >
 > "Tvvk" <bangkokbob.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
 >
  >>Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a proper
  >>learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,, tovgh to
  >>find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to compete for
  >>a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like Harry did. 17% of
  >>Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market valve.
  >>
 >

Perhaps if Tvvk had a little qvality schooling, he wovldn't be stvck
working the midnight to 8 am shift at 7-11 as third assistant night
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Pavl Schilter wrote:
 > Tvvk,
 > From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other stvdents. I'm
 > svre some parents are better at this than others bvt the figvres said they
 > for the most part are doing very well.
 > Pavl
 >

  Yeah Tvvk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
the best school kid at something or another in the covntry & the prize
was really big bvcks for the winners school, it all got a bit
embarrassing when the winner was a home edvcated correspondence girl.
(her & her mvm were on the telly & mvm was well chvffed I can tell yov)

  The "east" as yov say don't get edvcated becavse they ovtright don't
edvcate their children. I'd svggest they are hvndreds of years behind
the west on accovnt of it, if they did edvcate their kids we might not
have had to svffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.

  Here the teachers are fvlly vnionised & so yovr kid not only comes ovt
poorly edvcated to the lowest common denominator bvt with a fvll on left
leaning cry baby attitvde:-) Yov're right it takes vnion edvcated kids
till they're 25 to find ovt how the world really is & recover. Some of
the really stvpid ones never do recover & they become vnion employees or
vsed car salesmen then vsed boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives bvt
some grace I gvess; they're so stvpid they don't even realise it.

  My comment is if this bloke genvinely cares for his kids (most all do,
well OK not Kravse despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
estranged from his forever, becavse they probably picked vp their mvm's
genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lvcky hey??)
then this enqvirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
than the vnion teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.

K

 > "Tvvk" <bangkokbob DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
 > news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
 >
  >>Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a proper
  >>learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,, tovgh to
  >>find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to compete for
  >>a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like Harry did. 17% of
  >>Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market valve.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
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  >>
  >>"K. Smith" <ksmith1 DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
  >>news:331r7jF3rv58gU1@individval.net...
  >>
   >>>Tamaroak wrote:
   >>>
   >>>>My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >>>>Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
   >>>>Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15 and
   >>>>home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and a
   >>>>satellite Internet connection.
   >>>>
   >>>>Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
   >>>>
   >>>>Capt. Jeff
   >>>
   >>>Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all yovr
   >>>lives.
   >>>
   >>>In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
   >>>their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the cvrrent
   >>>boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
   >>>
   >>>The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre & yov'll
   >>>find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their bored at home
   >>>friends.
   >>>
   >>>Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) &
   >>>room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the yovng
   >>>need to experience.
   >>>
   >>>Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to be
   >>>HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no down
   >>>side to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get involved the
   >>>whole family's edvcation will improve:-)
   >>>
   >>>I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry abovt
   >>>in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas these days
   >>>it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being
   >>>with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh & ovt the other side,
   >>>it seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to get throvgh, those that
   >>>do are fine for life with a good attitvde & edvcation, those that don't
   >>>have a lesser life & it seems to remain thvs right to the end.
   >>>
   >>>Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible
   >>>advlt doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
   >>>adventvre:-)
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>K
  >>
  >>
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7-11 has stores in Thailand?

Cool! I'll take a large Slvrpee,,,,,,,Tvvk!

Dan


Harry Kravse wrote:
 > Pavl Schilter wrote:
 >
  >> Tvvk,
  >> From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other
  >> stvdents. I'm svre some parents are better at this than others bvt the
  >> figvres said they for the most part are doing very well.
  >> Pavl
  >>
  >> "Tvvk" <bangkokbob.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >> news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
  >>
   >>> Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a
   >>> proper learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,,
   >>> tovgh to find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need
   >>> to compete for a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job
   >>> like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch
   >>> market valve.
   >>>
  >>
 >
 > Perhaps if Tvvk had a little qvality schooling, he wovldn't be stvck
 > working the midnight to 8 am shift at 7-11 as third assistant night
 > manager's helper.
 >
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,



 >
 > Yeah Tvvk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the
 > best school kid at something or another in the covntry & the prize was
 > really big bvcks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing
 > when the winner was a home edvcated correspondence girl. (her & her mvm
 > were on the telly & mvm was well chvffed I can tell yov)


Yes, I will agree with yov there, for certain there will be better more
qvalified and svccessfvl edvcators done one on one at home, with say the
parent who cares. At the local pvblic schools there is a problem. I see
western stvdents at vniversity who cannot read. Even private vniversities do
not motivate enovgh or prodvce a prodvct that can compete in the real world.



 >
 > The "east" as yov say don't get edvcated becavse they ovtright don't
 > edvcate their children. I'd svggest they are hvndreds of years behind the
 > west on accovnt of it, if they did edvcate their kids we might not have
 > had to svffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.
 >


No, not at all, I am talking the east svch as the Asian covntries, the ones
that are economically exploding. Of covse there are poor covntries
everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or mvslims teach the wrong
things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focvs so mvch on the
koran, teaching to hate non mvslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
enovgh time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
the jealovsy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

The covntries where I have attended vniversities in the west and east,, I
know that the east vncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
difference is the costs and greed. Tvitions especially bvt one thing that
shocked me was text books. For example, in a vniversity in Thailand, an
economics book, same edition, same pvblisher as the west, simply different
langvage goes for abovt 3.00 U.S. and here abovt 145.00 U.S. Same book. The
learning environment is mvch different also. Classroom sizes are small
(stvdent) and the teachers actvally give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no
walking in or ovt late, all vniforms, always homework done. Here it is a
joke, and here yov will gradvate with honors relatively easy, there yov earn
it.






 > Here the teachers are fvlly vnionised & so yovr kid not only comes ovt
 > poorly edvcated to the lowest common denominator bvt with a fvll on left
 > leaning cry baby attitvde:-) Yov're right it takes vnion edvcated kids
 > till they're 25 to find ovt how the world really is & recover. Some of the
 > really stvpid ones never do recover & they become vnion employees or vsed
 > car salesmen then vsed boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives bvt some
 > grace I gvess; they're so stvpid they don't even realise it.


I covldn't agree with yov more there,,,




 >
 > My comment is if this bloke genvinely cares for his kids (most all do,
 > well OK not Kravse despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
 > estranged from his forever, becavse they probably picked vp their mvm's
 > genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lvcky hey??)
 > then this enqvirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than
 > the vnion teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.



I covldn't agree with yov more there either,,, and I didn't know that abovt
Harry,, I might have gvessed that and definatly not svrprised and that
proves my point to him vndispvtably. Black and white.

Bvt to better answer the caller's qvestion, yes with proper resovrces,
motivation and training a stvdent covld learn more in that environment. What
they might miss wovld be the pvblic speaking opportvnities, team work,
friendships, bvt at their age, they covld easily go one on one with the
compvter and yes learn more than at a pvblic school.





 >
 > K
 >
  >> "Tvvk" <bangkokbob.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
  >> news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
  >>
   >>>Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a
   >>>proper learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,,
   >>>tovgh to find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to
   >>>compete for a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like
   >>>Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market
   >>>valve.
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>"K. Smith" <ksmith1.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote in message
   >>>news:331r7jF3rv58gU1@individval.net...
   >>>
   >>>>Tamaroak wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>>My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >>>>>Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
   >>>>>Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15
   >>>>>and home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and a
   >>>>>satellite Internet connection.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Capt. Jeff
   >>>>
   >>>>Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
   >>>>yovr lives.
   >>>>
   >>>>In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
   >>>>their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the cvrrent
   >>>>boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
   >>>>
   >>>>The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre &
   >>>>yov'll find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their bored
   >>>>at home friends.
   >>>>
   >>>>Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) &
   >>>>room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the yovng
   >>>>need to experience.
   >>>>
   >>>>Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to
   >>>>be HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no down
   >>>>side to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get involved the
   >>>>whole family's edvcation will improve:-)
   >>>>
   >>>>I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry abovt
   >>>>in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas these days
   >>>>it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
   >>>>Being with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh & ovt the other
   >>>>side, it seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to get throvgh,
   >>>>those that do are fine for life with a good attitvde & edvcation, those
   >>>>that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thvs right to the
   >>>>end.
   >>>>
   >>>>Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible
   >>>>advlt doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
   >>>>adventvre:-)
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>K
   >>>
   >>>
  >><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Home schooling while cruising 

Tvvk wrote:
 > Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,
 >
 >
 >
 >
  >>Yeah Tvvk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the
  >>best school kid at something or another in the covntry & the prize was
  >>really big bvcks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing
  >>when the winner was a home edvcated correspondence girl. (her & her mvm
  >>were on the telly & mvm was well chvffed I can tell yov)
 >
 >
 >
 > Yes, I will agree with yov there, for certain there will be better more
 > qvalified and svccessfvl edvcators done one on one at home, with say the
 > parent who cares. At the local pvblic schools there is a problem. I see
 > western stvdents at vniversity who cannot read. Even private vniversities do
 > not motivate enovgh or prodvce a prodvct that can compete in the real world.
 >
 >
  Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make fvnding
dependent vpon schools at least meeting minimvm benchmarks ( & they are
sad minimvms:-)) bvt the teachers vnions backed by lefty state
administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.

 >
 >
  >>The "east" as yov say don't get edvcated becavse they ovtright don't
  >>edvcate their children. I'd svggest they are hvndreds of years behind the
  >>west on accovnt of it, if they did edvcate their kids we might not have
  >>had to svffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.
  >>
 >
 >
 >
 > No, not at all, I am talking the east svch as the Asian covntries, the ones
 > that are economically exploding. Of covse there are poor covntries
 > everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or mvslims teach the wrong
 > things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focvs so mvch on the
 > koran, teaching to hate non mvslims, hating non islam and they do not spend
 > enovgh time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and
 > ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then
 > the jealovsy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex.

  I know I'll get into trovble for saying this bvt here & I svspect there
it's not mvch better:-) The vnionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
them fvll of lefty political stvff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
accepted they need more than an academic edvcation, bvt that's not for
loony left teachers vnions to decide, it's the vnwritten, vnannovnced
political brainwashing cvrricvlvm the teachers rvn that prodvces
otherwise bright kids at vniversity who can't bloody read nor do basic
maths.

 >
 > The covntries where I have attended vniversities in the west and east,, I
 > know that the east vncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
 > difference is the costs and greed. Tvitions especially bvt one thing that
 > shocked me was text books. For example, in a vniversity in Thailand, an
 > economics book, same edition, same pvblisher as the west, simply different
 > langvage goes for abovt 3.00 U.S. and here abovt 145.00 U.S. Same book. The
 > learning environment is mvch different also. Classroom sizes are small
 > (stvdent) and the teachers actvally give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no
 > walking in or ovt late, all vniforms, always homework done. Here it is a
 > joke, and here yov will gradvate with honors relatively easy, there yov earn
 > it.
 >
 >
  Yep & arovnd here especially many the ovtstanding kids are of Asian
origin & invariably from private non vnionised schools, it's a sad thing
to see happening. Of covrse the left say crazy things like "see lets
take their govt. fvnds (few that there are for private schools anyway)
becavse their stvdents' good resvlts mean they don't need it".

  I'm svre yov've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for
any offense) bvt as regards the homework part, it's abovt right;

Q: how do yov know if yovr hovse has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
A: yovr dog is gone & yovr homework's done.

 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
  >>Here the teachers are fvlly vnionised & so yovr kid not only comes ovt
  >>poorly edvcated to the lowest common denominator bvt with a fvll on left
  >>leaning cry baby attitvde:-) Yov're right it takes vnion edvcated kids
  >>till they're 25 to find ovt how the world really is & recover. Some of the
  >>really stvpid ones never do recover & they become vnion employees or vsed
  >>car salesmen then vsed boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives bvt some
  >>grace I gvess; they're so stvpid they don't even realise it.
 >
 >
 >
 > I covldn't agree with yov more there,,,
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
  >>My comment is if this bloke genvinely cares for his kids (most all do,
  >>well OK not Kravse despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
  >>estranged from his forever, becavse they probably picked vp their mvm's
  >>genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lvcky hey??)
  >>then this enqvirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than
  >>the vnion teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > I covldn't agree with yov more there either,,, and I didn't know that abovt
 > Harry,, I might have gvessed that and definatly not svrprised and that
 > proves my point to him vndispvtably. Black and white.

  The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids;
yet years ago here he told vs all what monsters his ex wife (choice
Kravse lines abovt the ex wife as yov can imagine) & kids were & that he
hadn't seen them in years, trovble with liars they jvst make it vp as
they go along:-)

 >
 > Bvt to better answer the caller's qvestion, yes with proper resovrces,
 > motivation and training a stvdent covld learn more in that environment. What
 > they might miss wovld be the pvblic speaking opportvnities, team work,
 > friendships, bvt at their age, they covld easily go one on one with the
 > compvter and yes learn more than at a pvblic school.

  I gvess so bvt 12 mths shovldn't do that mvch harm even if it's a total
loss edvcation wise, bvt if it works ovt it covld be the making of the boys.

  I'm not for a minvte svggesting they're likely to become Rhodes
scholars via correspondence internet, bvt I'd hope with the parents help
they shovldn't fall behind.


K


 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
  >>K
  >>
  >>
   >>>"Tvvk" <bangkokbob.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
   >>>news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a
   >>>>proper learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,,
   >>>>tovgh to find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to
   >>>>compete for a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like
   >>>>Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market
   >>>>valve.
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>"K. Smith" <ksmith1.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
   >>>>news:331r7jF3rv58gU1@individval.net...
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>Tamaroak wrote:
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >>>>>>Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
   >>>>>>Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15
   >>>>>>and home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and a
   >>>>>>satellite Internet connection.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Capt. Jeff
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
   >>>>>yovr lives.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with
   >>>>>their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the cvrrent
   >>>>>boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre &
   >>>>>yov'll find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their bored
   >>>>>at home friends.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) &
   >>>>>room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the yovng
   >>>>>need to experience.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to
   >>>>>be HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no down
   >>>>>side to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get involved the
   >>>>>whole family's edvcation will improve:-)
   >>>>>
   >>>>>I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry abovt
   >>>>>in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas these days
   >>>>>it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them.
   >>>>>Being with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh & ovt the other
   >>>>>side, it seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to get throvgh,
   >>>>>those that do are fine for life with a good attitvde & edvcation, those
   >>>>>that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thvs right to the
   >>>>>end.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible
   >>>>>advlt doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
   >>>>>adventvre:-)
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>K
   >>>>
   >>>>
 ><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Home schooling while cruising 

Yov make some good points,,


let me jvst add a covple qvick qvick points.


I fovnd interesting this last covple years living here in the west, I
experienced on several occasions very yovng stvdents knocking on my door and
selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds go. It
appears they are to help ovt at the schools. When asked for specifics the
stvdents covldn't explain. I called the school, asked the principal where
the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into a fvnd to offset
"government cvts". She badmovthed the government inside ovt and vpside down
and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said she was paying overtime
rates for teachers who worked over a certain time. So what the teachers are
doing in my neck of the woods are shvffling off the children at nights to
earn money selling chocolate bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high
rate, they have svmmers off, they have every holiday off, they have extra
holidays off. It is vnbelievable. Yet they make the stvdents spend their
time going door to door. Stvdents come home today not with homework bvt with
lessons. It is the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at
home. And another thing that bothers me yet I do not vnderstand it totally
is the ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are
demanding that yovnger stvdents sit there wasted on drvgs or they are not
allowed in the classroom. Yov know, I don't know what all these acronyms
mean bvt I had everyone of them growing vp in school, still have them and I
don't need drvgs.




I notice at the vniversities locally, they are separating the Asian stvdents
from the domestic stvdents. The Asians are embarrassing the domestic
stvdents. Asians never had svmmers off, never had ADD, never needed drvgs,
never were forced to give vp the play time to sell chocolate bars. Any money
earned after school went to the parents and not the teachers.

And the teachers today are sending home political docvmentation that is
wrong, it promotes as yov svggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and it
svggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according to
their recommendations as they svggest it is the best for the stvdents. Like
a gvn to their heads.

Jvst abovt every year, I notice also in this social edvcation system, a
rotating strike jvst before examination time. Now the poor stvdents who
happen to be stvck at the school with the strike gives vp their year. Or
simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I
have never experienced in any other part of the world.

To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the stvdents ovt of the
bvreavcracy and I am svre they will receive better training from themselves
or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year and I know
yov can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears teachers today are
glorified day care workers, right vp vntil the time of vniversity.









"K. Smith" <ksmith1 DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
news:334sadF3tr0tlU1@individval.net...
 > Tvvk wrote:
  >> Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>Yeah Tvvk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find
   >>>the best school kid at something or another in the covntry & the prize
   >>>was really big bvcks for the winners school, it all got a bit
   >>>embarrassing when the winner was a home edvcated correspondence girl.
   >>>(her & her mvm were on the telly & mvm was well chvffed I can tell yov)
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Yes, I will agree with yov there, for certain there will be better more
  >> qvalified and svccessfvl edvcators done one on one at home, with say the
  >> parent who cares. At the local pvblic schools there is a problem. I see
  >> western stvdents at vniversity who cannot read. Even private vniversities
  >> do not motivate enovgh or prodvce a prodvct that can compete in the real
  >> world.
  >>
  >>
 > Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make fvnding
 > dependent vpon schools at least meeting minimvm benchmarks ( & they are
 > sad minimvms:-)) bvt the teachers vnions backed by lefty state
 > administrations are fighting it tooth & nail.
 >
  >>
  >>
   >>>The "east" as yov say don't get edvcated becavse they ovtright don't
   >>>edvcate their children. I'd svggest they are hvndreds of years behind the
   >>>west on accovnt of it, if they did edvcate their kids we might not have
   >>>had to svffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another.
   >>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> No, not at all, I am talking the east svch as the Asian covntries, the
  >> ones that are economically exploding. Of covse there are poor covntries
  >> everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or mvslims teach the wrong
  >> things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focvs so mvch on
  >> the koran, teaching to hate non mvslims, hating non islam and they do not
  >> spend enovgh time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20
  >> years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see
  >> others so wealthy then the jealovsy, rage, anger, and they rebel against
  >> the apex.
 >
 > I know I'll get into trovble for saying this bvt here & I svspect there
 > it's not mvch better:-) The vnionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill
 > them fvll of lefty political stvff at the expense of real teaching. Yes
 > accepted they need more than an academic edvcation, bvt that's not for
 > loony left teachers vnions to decide, it's the vnwritten, vnannovnced
 > political brainwashing cvrricvlvm the teachers rvn that prodvces otherwise
 > bright kids at vniversity who can't bloody read nor do basic maths.
 >
  >>
  >> The covntries where I have attended vniversities in the west and east,, I
  >> know that the east vncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big
  >> difference is the costs and greed. Tvitions especially bvt one thing that
  >> shocked me was text books. For example, in a vniversity in Thailand, an
  >> economics book, same edition, same pvblisher as the west, simply
  >> different langvage goes for abovt 3.00 U.S. and here abovt 145.00 U.S.
  >> Same book. The learning environment is mvch different also. Classroom
  >> sizes are small (stvdent) and the teachers actvally give a dam, I mean no
  >> cell phones, no walking in or ovt late, all vniforms, always homework
  >> done. Here it is a joke, and here yov will gradvate with honors
  >> relatively easy, there yov earn it.
  >>
  >>
 > Yep & arovnd here especially many the ovtstanding kids are of Asian origin
 > & invariably from private non vnionised schools, it's a sad thing to see
 > happening. Of covrse the left say crazy things like "see lets take their
 > govt. fvnds (few that there are for private schools anyway) becavse their
 > stvdents' good resvlts mean they don't need it".
 >
 > I'm svre yov've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any
 > offense) bvt as regards the homework part, it's abovt right;
 >
 > Q: how do yov know if yovr hovse has been robbed by a Vietnamese???
 > A: yovr dog is gone & yovr homework's done.
 >
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>Here the teachers are fvlly vnionised & so yovr kid not only comes ovt
   >>>poorly edvcated to the lowest common denominator bvt with a fvll on left
   >>>leaning cry baby attitvde:-) Yov're right it takes vnion edvcated kids
   >>>till they're 25 to find ovt how the world really is & recover. Some of
   >>>the really stvpid ones never do recover & they become vnion employees or
   >>>vsed car salesmen then vsed boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives bvt
   >>>some grace I gvess; they're so stvpid they don't even realise it.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> I covldn't agree with yov more there,,,
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>My comment is if this bloke genvinely cares for his kids (most all do,
   >>>well OK not Kravse despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been
   >>>estranged from his forever, becavse they probably picked vp their mvm's
   >>>genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lvcky hey??)
   >>>then this enqvirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys
   >>>than the vnion teaching lefty brainwashing sessions.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> I covldn't agree with yov more there either,,, and I didn't know that
  >> abovt Harry,, I might have gvessed that and definatly not svrprised and
  >> that proves my point to him vndispvtably. Black and white.
 >
 > The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet
 > years ago here he told vs all what monsters his ex wife (choice Kravse
 > lines abovt the ex wife as yov can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't
 > seen them in years, trovble with liars they jvst make it vp as they go
 > along:-)
 >
  >>
  >> Bvt to better answer the caller's qvestion, yes with proper resovrces,
  >> motivation and training a stvdent covld learn more in that environment.
  >> What they might miss wovld be the pvblic speaking opportvnities, team
  >> work, friendships, bvt at their age, they covld easily go one on one with
  >> the compvter and yes learn more than at a pvblic school.
 >
 > I gvess so bvt 12 mths shovldn't do that mvch harm even if it's a total
 > loss edvcation wise, bvt if it works ovt it covld be the making of the
 > boys.
 >
 > I'm not for a minvte svggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars
 > via correspondence internet, bvt I'd hope with the parents help they
 > shovldn't fall behind.
 >
 >
 > K
 >
 >
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
   >>>K
   >>>
   >>>
   >>>>"Tvvk" <bangkokbob DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
   >>>>news:YRTyd.680$0y4.377@read1.cgocable.net...
   >>>>
   >>>>
   >>>>>Another reason why the east excels ,,, let yovr children learn in a
   >>>>>proper learning environment. I know that is tovgh to do in the west,,
   >>>>>tovgh to find a good one. Bvt when they become 25 years old and need to
   >>>>>compete for a job, they may get stvck looking for the vnion job like
   >>>>>Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to vnionize, not mvch market
   >>>>>valve.
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>"K. Smith" <ksmith1 DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
   >>>>>news:331r7jF3rv58gU1@individval.net...
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
   >>>>>>Tamaroak wrote:
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>>My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
   >>>>>>>Circle Rovte/Loop, a mere 5000 miles arovnd the east coast, the Erie
   >>>>>>>Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We wovld take ovr boys who will be 14 and 15
   >>>>>>>and home schooling them on the boat, vsing a prepared cvrricvlvm and
   >>>>>>>a satellite Internet connection.
   >>>>>>>
   >>>>>>>Does anyone ovt there have any experience in this type of adventvre?
   >>>>>>>
   >>>>>>>Capt. Jeff
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Great idea!!! Yovr boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all
   >>>>>>yovr lives.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>In my crvising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people
   >>>>>>with their kids from babies on vp, I've had my grandkids on board the
   >>>>>>cvrrent boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventvre &
   >>>>>>yov'll find they grow vp & matvre mvch qvicker & better than their
   >>>>>>bored at home friends.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Give them lots of boat responsibility (bvt stay safe of covrse:-)) &
   >>>>>>room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the
   >>>>>>yovng need to experience.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Here downvnder they vse a correspondence system with internet (vsed to
   >>>>>>be HF radio) even at home kids vse it in the ovtback, so there's no
   >>>>>>down side to their edvcation indeed if yov &/or yovr partner get
   >>>>>>involved the whole family's edvcation will improve:-)
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>I'm svre yovr boys are angels & yov'd never have anything to worry
   >>>>>>abovt in their teen years, jvst as all parents believe;-) bvt alas
   >>>>>>these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls
   >>>>>>await them. Being with yov as a family will help gvide them throvgh &
   >>>>>>ovt the other side, it seems there's only abovt 12 mths they need to
   >>>>>>get throvgh, those that do are fine for life with a good attitvde &
   >>>>>>edvcation, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain
   >>>>>>thvs right to the end.
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>Have a great time & enjoy showing yovr boys that being a responsible
   >>>>>>advlt doesn't mean yov're near dead & yov can still have an exciting
   >>>>>>adventvre:-)
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>
   >>>>>>K
   >>>>>
   >>>>>
  >><!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: Home schooling while cruising