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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:47:57 -0600, in message
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"KLC Lewis" <nospam DeleteThis @spamless.com> wrote:

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>"Matt Colie" <nobody DeleteThis @netspam.net> wrote in message
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>> Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody
>> go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we
>> aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill
>> under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>>
>> Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic
>>
>>
>
>I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our
>Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad
>enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.

Whose Great Lakes? Keep in mind that we share them with the US. Or are
you posting from the US and speaking only of Lake Michigan?

There's already plenty of wellheads under Lake Erie where the shallow
depths make drilling quite easy and Lake Erie is in way better shape
than it was 40 years ago.

Ryk
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> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 14:47:57 -0600, in message
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> "KLC Lewis" <nospam DeleteThis @spamless.com> wrote:
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>>
>>I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on
>>our
>>Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are
>>bad
>>enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.
>
> Whose Great Lakes? Keep in mind that we share them with the US. Or are
> you posting from the US and speaking only of Lake Michigan?
>
> There's already plenty of wellheads under Lake Erie where the shallow
> depths make drilling quite easy and Lake Erie is in way better shape
> than it was 40 years ago.
>
> Ryk
>
>

By "our Great Lakes," I was referring to humanity. But, of humanity,
naturally Americans come first. Just ask any of our politicians.
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Matt Colie wrote:
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(Canada has wells in most of the great
> lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
> investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>
snip..

Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
Can you let us know where you found that info.
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:08:53 GMT, in message
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Don White <whited.DeleteThis@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>Matt Colie wrote:
>snip
>
> (Canada has wells in most of the great
>> lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
>> investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>>
>snip..
>
>Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
>Can you let us know where you found that info.

I think most of the wellheads in Lake Erie are gas wells, but a quick
look at the chart will show plenty of evidence of past drilling.

Ryk
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:08:53 GMT, Don White <whited.RemoveThis@ns.sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>Matt Colie wrote:
>snip
>
> (Canada has wells in most of the great
>> lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
>> investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>>
>snip..
>
>Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
>Can you let us know where you found that info.

There are a few gas wells in lake Erie but I'm not aware of any oil
wells either.
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Larry wrote:
> gfretwell RemoveThis @aol.com wrote in news:5agjm251j3jcugerj8a8spgheteq5s1epj@4ax.com:
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>
>>It certainly smells bad.
>
>
> I guess it was in my youth......
>
> Every time I get a whiff of 2-stroke exhaust going by the dock, I have a
> flashback to the mid 1950's. I can hear and smell that Evinrude Sportwin
> 7.5 as my grandfather, Jack, and I are headed back to the lake inlet to
> refill Granny's freezer with more fish from that hole Gramps knows about
> between two Weeping Willows along the East bank about .6 miles from its
> mouth into the lake.
>
> I also VIVIDLY remember tossing his brand new mushroom anchor into the
> hole, exactly like he told me to do....without a LINE tied onto it....and
> crying all the way home while he was laughing and couldn't wait to tell my
> grandmother.
>
> Nope....Two stroke exhaust, to me, is one of the sweetest smelling
> fragrances on the planet.....
>
>


I know what you mean, I don't care so much for the smell of 2 stroke
exhaust, but the smell of engine exhaust in general reminds me of
tinkering with lawnmowers and other small engines when I was a kid. I'm
the same way with the smell of a hot soldering iron, makes me think of
things I love doing. I can certainly see how both smells would be putrid
to someone with no interest in the subject though.
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KLC,

I don't like the thought of spills either, but three Canadian companies
have a total of 450+ wells for both oil and natural gas in Lake Erie
alone. They seem to manage just fine (with gear and technology from
American suppliers).

Recently, I was told by someone that has studied these problems for many
years that most of the oil on Lake Erie comes from untrapped storm
drains. The last big one was the Rouge River about three years ago.

We have the opportunity to correct a lot of problems if we pick the real
ones instead of the "politically correct" ones.

This has been my problem with the "evironmental movement" since they
forced cars to get much reduced fuel economy in favor of maginally
reduced tailpipe emissions. Remember the early cat cars of the mid
seventies?

Matt


KLC Lewis wrote:
> "Matt Colie" <nobody.DeleteThis@netspam.net> wrote in message
> news:_Omah.51$gS6.18@newsfe07.lga...
>
>>Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody
>>go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we
>>aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill
>>under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>>
>>Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our
> Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad
> enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.
>
>
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Don,

Apart from being personal friends with the people that do this (they
sail out of La Salle Marines and Cedar Beach clubs, I can point you to
NOAA chart 14830. Down load it and look at the area east of the Pelee
Pennisula. The meatball in crosshairs is a mark that indicates a
wellhead, the dash with dot lines between them are submarine pipelines.
If you go farther east (14820) and look east of Port Stanley there are
more - but I don't sail there. Remember, each marked well head could
possibly have a dozen actual well pipes - each drilled without incident.


For the last three seasons we have all been watching a new rig working
at about N04148.500W08233.300 (location is appoximate from my log). I
was told by Canadian friends that this is a multi drill natural gas well
that will be drilling for another 10 years. Then the wells will be
capped below ice level and marked with a tower. Is makes a wonderful
refence when racing through Pelee Passage at night.

Matt

Don White wrote:

> Matt Colie wrote:
> snip
>
> (Canada has wells in most of the great
>
>> lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
>> investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that
>> either.)
>>
> snip..
>
> Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
> Can you let us know where you found that info.
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Referenced in the article at the link below is a group called
Public Interest Research Group in Michigan. In years past, these people
performed a nobel and valuable function. In recent years they have been
completely over run in their environment faction by the "people are
evil" crowd that will oppose any action that might change the world away
from primevil forest.

They define a major oil spill as more than can cleaned up with a single
tissue.

gfretwell RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:56:19 GMT, idontwantanyspam RemoveThis @thankyou.com (Drew
> Dalgleish) wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 23:08:53 GMT, Don White <whited RemoveThis @ns.sympatico.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Matt Colie wrote:
>>>snip
>>>
>>> (Canada has wells in most of the great
>>>
>>>>lakes - we aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese
>>>>investment to drill under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
>>>>
>>>
>>>snip..
>>>
>>>Never heard of Canada drilling the Great Lakes for oil.
>>>Can you let us know where you found that info.
>>
>>There are a few gas wells in lake Erie but I'm not aware of any oil
>>wells either.
>
>
> http://detnews.com/2005/project/0508/14/Z15-275433.htm
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Exactly. You can't force technology faster just to meet an arbitrary goal
dreamed up by a beaurocrat.
And the sick thing about it is that whoever dreamed up those regs goes to
bed thinking "I saved the world again today".

"Matt Colie" <nobody.RemoveThis@netspam.net> wrote in message
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> This has been my problem with the "evironmental movement" since they
> forced cars to get much reduced fuel economy in favor of maginally reduced
> tailpipe emissions. Remember the early cat cars of the mid seventies?
>
> Matt
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