Solo Circumnavigation

Now, now Bill... I know it's tough, but we're not to feed the trolls
anymore... remember?

--Mike

"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.RemoveThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "HK" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>> justwaitafrekinminute.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 17, 10:43 am, "Don White" <whi....RemoveThis@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> "Larry" <no....RemoveThis@home.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Gordon <gaz....RemoveThis@olypen.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:R4ydnR7N35ZDocrVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@wavecable.com:
>>>>>> I've always wondered how a child became an adult overnight just
>>>>>> because he suddenly is 18 instead of 17. A child yesterday and
>>>>>> overnight--- a man. Amazing!!
>>>>>> Gordon
>>>>> I'm 62. I'm still a child.....(c;
>>>>> They said I had to "grow old".
>>>>> They DIDN'T say I had to "grow up", although it has been suggested to
>>>>> me
>>>>> countless times....hee hee...(c;
>>>>> Many of those who told me to "grow up" are dead, now!
>>>>> No, thanks.....
>>>> Well, you're in the right place now.
>>>> There's a gang of about seven here who are the most childish acting
>>>> group on
>>>> usenet.
>>>> (not to mention, the biggest cry babies)- Hide quoted text -
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>>>> - Show quoted text -
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>>> quitcher' cryin', man up, and name the seven....get it over with so
>>> the rest of us can put you on the list..
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>> You, loogy, herring, retching, er, reggie, florida jim, dank krueger, and
>> whoever is in the alternate seat of the day: bilious california bill or
>> sal monella or, well...
>>
>> Got it?
>>
>> AKA...the Seven Deadly Spins...the non boaters, the snarks, the
>> sh*theads, the parents who endanger their children, the twerps...
>
> And what boating posts have you supplied or enhanced? You need to get
> back on your meds, the vitamin is not doing it.
>
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On Jun 17, 7:04 pm, "Mike" <m....TakeThisOut@pakbel.net> wrote:
> Now, now Bill... I know it's tough, but we're not to feed the trolls
> anymore... remember?
>
> --Mike
>
> "Calif Bill" <bmckees....TakeThisOut@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> > "HK" <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> >> justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Jun 17, 10:43 am, "Don White" <whi....TakeThisOut@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>>> "Larry" <no....TakeThisOut@home.com> wrote in message
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> >>>>news:Xns9AC0538468A93noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
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> >>>>> Gordon <gaz....TakeThisOut@olypen.com> wrote in
> >>>>>news:R4ydnR7N35ZDocrVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@wavecable.com:
> >>>>>>    I've always wondered how a child became an adult overnight just
> >>>>>> because he suddenly is 18 instead of 17. A child yesterday and
> >>>>>> overnight--- a man. Amazing!!
> >>>>>>   Gordon
> >>>>> I'm 62.  I'm still a child.....(c;
> >>>>> They said I had to "grow old".
> >>>>> They DIDN'T say I had to "grow up", although it has been suggested to
> >>>>> me
> >>>>> countless times....hee hee...(c;
> >>>>> Many of those who told me to "grow up" are dead, now!
> >>>>> No, thanks.....
> >>>> Well, you're in the right place now.
> >>>> There's a gang of about seven here who are the most childish acting
> >>>> group on
> >>>> usenet.
> >>>> (not to mention, the biggest cry babies)- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
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> >>> quitcher' cryin', man up, and name the seven....get it over with so
> >>> the rest of us can put you on the list..
>
> >> You, loogy, herring, retching, er, reggie, florida jim, dank krueger, and
> >> whoever is in the alternate seat of the day: bilious california bill or
> >> sal monella or, well...
>
> >> Got it?
>
> >> AKA...the Seven Deadly Spins...the non boaters, the snarks, the
> >> sh*theads, the parents who endanger their children, the twerps...
>
> > And what boating posts have you supplied or enhanced?  You need to get
> > back on your meds, the vitamin is not doing it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Never read where Bill was in on the deal... To each his own I
guess. Anyway, back to the kid. Anybody got an update, did the next
report get filed?
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"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not one
> for long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
> cruising down to Santa Cruz.
>

The Islander series is a slightly better built boat than a Catalina. It's
not considered a blue water voyager. It's a poor choice of vessels for a
circumnavigation.

Wilbur Hubbard
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Calif Bill wrote:
> "HK" <payer33859 DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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>> justwaitafrekinminute DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jun 17, 10:43 am, "Don White" <whi... DeleteThis @ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>> "Larry" <no... DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> news:Xns9AC0538468A93noonehomecom@208.49.80.253...
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>>>>> Gordon <gaz... DeleteThis @olypen.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:R4ydnR7N35ZDocrVnZ2dnUVZ_qLinZ2d@wavecable.com:
>>>>>> I've always wondered how a child became an adult overnight just
>>>>>> because he suddenly is 18 instead of 17. A child yesterday and
>>>>>> overnight--- a man. Amazing!!
>>>>>> Gordon
>>>>> I'm 62. I'm still a child.....(c;
>>>>> They said I had to "grow old".
>>>>> They DIDN'T say I had to "grow up", although it has been suggested to
>>>>> me
>>>>> countless times....hee hee...(c;
>>>>> Many of those who told me to "grow up" are dead, now!
>>>>> No, thanks.....
>>>> Well, you're in the right place now.
>>>> There's a gang of about seven here who are the most childish acting
>>>> group on
>>>> usenet.
>>>> (not to mention, the biggest cry babies)- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>> quitcher' cryin', man up, and name the seven....get it over with so
>>> the rest of us can put you on the list..
>>
>> You, loogy, herring, retching, er, reggie, florida jim, dank krueger, and
>> whoever is in the alternate seat of the day: bilious california bill or
>> sal monella or, well...
>>
>> Got it?
>>
>> AKA...the Seven Deadly Spins...the non boaters, the snarks, the sh*theads,
>> the parents who endanger their children, the twerps...
>
> And what boating posts have you supplied or enhanced? You need to get back
> on your meds, the vitamin is not doing it.
>
>

Obviously Harry knows that Don is too dumb to respond so he jumps in and
makes the usual ass of himself.
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"DK" <intrceptor DeleteThis @ggggmail.com> wrote in message
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> Obviously Harry knows that Don is too dumb to respond so he jumps in and
> makes the usual ass of himself.


Dumb this...ass boy!
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Check out his blog. He spent the first night at Catalina Island to
organize. He has two radars with alarms and AIS. It looks like he is
doing this trip as sensibly as single handing can be done.

--
Roger Long
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On Jun 18, 5:46 am, "Roger Long" <stri....TakeThisOut@maine.rr.com> wrote:

> Check out his blog....He has two radars with alarms and AIS.  It looks like he is
> doing this trip as sensibly as single handing can be done.
> Roger Long


hi roger
Spoken like a true technowus. Why would anyone want TWO radar systems
on a boat that size???
Roger, what do you do in your space time?? O, yes.... install stuff
and fix stuff. If I remember correctly you posted here that you are/
were a model train geek??

I rest my case.

The boy sounds his parents draping their child in do dads and gizmos
in hopes of making him safe.

10:1 odds he follows his technology off the edge of the world instead
of looking outside. 16 yo girls or boys are a gizmo generation....
“generation txt” They were born with a myspace/facebook, Xbox, and
txting. They have their own language and can txt a message faster than
anyone here can soil their adult diapers. Hel b mor nterestd n txt n
his gf 4sur.
Bob
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"Bob" <freya2go.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote

>Spoken like a true technowus. Why would anyone want TWO radar systems
>on a boat that size???

I wan't necessarily intending to advocate dual radars but pointing out that
this kid and his parents were leaning towards the opposite end of the
spectrum that some here were accusing them of.

I'm always amused to be accused of being called a technowus and complexity
maven when I probably have one of the simplest and most basic boats in this
group. I do have an interesting fuel system for some good and specific
reasons but everything else is about as simple as it gets. No
refrigeration, Internet, Navnet, radar, sat phone, AC, stereo, or TV. Just
a handheld GPS (and another for backup), paper charts, and compass.

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Roger Long
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salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:15:48 -0400, "Roger Long" <strider.TakeThisOut@maine.rr.com> wrote:
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>> "Bob" <freya2go.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote
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>>> Spoken like a true technowus. Why would anyone want TWO radar systems
>>> on a boat that size???
>> I wan't necessarily intending to advocate dual radars but pointing out that
>> this kid and his parents were leaning towards the opposite end of the
>> spectrum that some here were accusing them of.
>>
>> I'm always amused to be accused of being called a technowus and complexity
>> maven when I probably have one of the simplest and most basic boats in this
>> group.
>
> The litmus test is: Tiller or Wheel? :')
>
>

Are you planning to circumnavigate Charles Island anytime soon?
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<salty DeleteThis @dog.com> wrote
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> The litmus test is: Tiller or Wheel? :')
>

Well, there's a juicy piece of bait for trolling in this group.

I have a wheel, primarily because it came with the boat as far as decision
making at the time of purchase is concerned. Nothing beats a tiller when
you really want to focus on the feel and performance of the boat and there
isn't anything that can go wrong with it.

However:

The very short cable run and overhaul the winter before last makes my wheel
almost as sensitive as a tiller. I can even feel the tip vortex eddies
coming off the keel on a close reach. The best view of the jib tell tales
and sometimes the driest place to place to sit is to leeward. The wheel is
just as easy to use braced down in that comfortable position as it is
sitting to windward. Pushing on a tiller is no fun. Sure, you can rig up
rope and blocks and sail with those but it's just more cockpit clutter.

Speaking of ropes and blocks, the wheel steering puts all connections for my
self steering gear below deck, further reducing cockpit clutter. I don't
steer a lot now anyway since I got the Cape Horn gear. When I am steering,
another nice thing about the wheel for someone with wrists prone to
repeditive stress injury is the variety of grips that can be used. I can
push on the top, pull on the bottom. Constant shifting of my steering
methods helps when I'm doing the steering. I don't steer a lot now anyway
since I got the Cape Horn gear.

Having spent a lot of time on larger sailing vessels, I just like the feel
of standing at a wheel when sailing the boat hard. It also lets me carry
1 - 2 more people in the cockpit on daysails with guests. I can reach the
wheel brake from almost any part of the cockpit and it's much less of an
obstruction than lines running across to secure a tiller.

You would have to pry my wheel from my cold, dead fingers.

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Richard wrote:
> From his website http://www.zacsunderland.com/
>
> "He has been racing, crewing and delivering yachts of all sizes and value.
> He crews for delivery captains up and down the west coast, often given sole
> responsibility for navigating, sail trim and resolving mechanical problems.
> He has 15,000 miles under his belt."
>
> "Rick Cortese" <ricortes.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Thanks. If there is no exaggeration in his resume then he already has
sailed the equivalent of ~1/2 his trip. I won't say that qualifies him
because I probably have driven enough miles to go to the moon and back
but that doesn't make me an astronaut! It would mean he has seen just
about everything that can go wrong go south.

Reading his most recent blog entry gives me pause. Apparently pressure
for the record => no real shakedown cruise. The first leg *IS* his
shakedown cruise! Sheesh! A record is not that important.

He's got the boat, he's paid some dues, things in play are luck and
will. I've spent a lot of time alone in the wilderness to see if I can
handle it. I can but it takes me about a week before I go through the
wall. IMO: His tests will be that first week alone and going back into
it after his first port of call.

Rick
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<salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:15:48 -0400, "Roger Long" <strider.TakeThisOut@maine.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Bob" <freya2go.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>>Spoken like a true technowus. Why would anyone want TWO radar systems
>>>on a boat that size???
>>
>>I wan't necessarily intending to advocate dual radars but pointing out
>>that
>>this kid and his parents were leaning towards the opposite end of the
>>spectrum that some here were accusing them of.
>>
>>I'm always amused to be accused of being called a technowus and complexity
>>maven when I probably have one of the simplest and most basic boats in
>>this
>>group.
>
> The litmus test is: Tiller or Wheel? :')
>
>


Nice troll! Wheel here.. came with the boat, but I like it a lot. Very tight
and sensitive to what's going on. I check the cables/quadrant periodically.
All seems fine so far. Also, I have the emerg. tiller available, not buried
under garbage.

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