Solo Circumnavigation

On Jun 22, 2:45 pm, "Capt. JG" <jg....TakeThisOut@sailnow.invalid> wrote:
> The Brothers are not in what I would consider the true north bay. ...

Okay, I'm confused. I thought the "north bay" was the area more or
less north of say San Rafael/Richmond (ie. San Pablo), the "central
bay" the area south of that to the Bay Bridge and the "south bay" the
remainder. So, the Brothers would be on the south end of the north
bay, no?

-- Tom.
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On 2008-06-17 16:46:29 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> said:

> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not one for
> long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
> cruising down to Santa Cruz.

From what I've heard of SF Bay, that's a pretty good proving ground for
sloppy weather and water. Boats built for those conditions were a bit
tougher, in my observation.

Years back, Lasers held a slalom race there in October, a known
high-wind month. Course: A number of buoys streaming downwind from a
single anchor. Zig-zag directly upwind, then directly downwind. That
proving ground perfected the "San Francisco Roll", an impressive method
of recovering from Laser's propensity for death rolls ending in a
capsize to windward.

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"Jere Lull" <jerelull.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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> On 2008-06-17 16:46:29 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>
> said:
>
>> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
>> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not one
>> for
>> long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
>> cruising down to Santa Cruz.
>
> From what I've heard of SF Bay, that's a pretty good proving ground for
> sloppy weather and water. Boats built for those conditions were a bit
> tougher, in my observation.
>
> Years back, Lasers held a slalom race there in October, a known high-wind
> month. Course: A number of buoys streaming downwind from a single anchor.
> Zig-zag directly upwind, then directly downwind. That proving ground
> perfected the "San Francisco Roll", an impressive method of recovering
> from Laser's propensity for death rolls ending in a capsize to windward.
>
> --
> Jere Lull
> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>

The bay gets nasty winds, but not the big seas you see offshore. The bay is
a shallow body of water, the shipping channels are only about 35' deep, and
unlike the Great Lakes, does not have a 100 miles of open water to build up
nasty big, square waves. The Islander was good for bay cruising and there
was a large group of racers running them in the 1970's. But my FIL did do
the Hawaii race but not on an Islander 30.
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"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Jere Lull" <jerelull DeleteThis @mac.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2008-06-17 16:46:29 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com>
>> said:
>>
>>> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
>>> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not one
>>> for
>>> long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
>>> cruising down to Santa Cruz.
>>
>> From what I've heard of SF Bay, that's a pretty good proving ground for
>> sloppy weather and water. Boats built for those conditions were a bit
>> tougher, in my observation.
>>
>> Years back, Lasers held a slalom race there in October, a known high-wind
>> month. Course: A number of buoys streaming downwind from a single anchor.
>> Zig-zag directly upwind, then directly downwind. That proving ground
>> perfected the "San Francisco Roll", an impressive method of recovering
>> from Laser's propensity for death rolls ending in a capsize to windward.
>>
>> --
>> Jere Lull
>> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
>> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
>> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>>
>
> The bay gets nasty winds, but not the big seas you see offshore. The bay
> is a shallow body of water, the shipping channels are only about 35' deep,
> and unlike the Great Lakes, does not have a 100 miles of open water to
> build up nasty big, square waves. The Islander was good for bay cruising
> and there was a large group of racers running them in the 1970's. But my
> FIL did do the Hawaii race but not on an Islander 30.
>


Well... the minimum channel depth is perhaps 35', but the bay is over 200 ft
deep in the north bay. You're correct that we don't get waves/swells like
the ocean, but we do get both. You can easily have 7-10 ft waves near the
Gate, and the chop can be 5+ with 40+ kts wind.


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"Capt. JG" <jganz.DeleteThis@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>> "Jere Lull" <jerelull.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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>>> On 2008-06-17 16:46:29 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
>>>> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not one
>>>> for
>>>> long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
>>>> cruising down to Santa Cruz.
>>>
>>> From what I've heard of SF Bay, that's a pretty good proving ground for
>>> sloppy weather and water. Boats built for those conditions were a bit
>>> tougher, in my observation.
>>>
>>> Years back, Lasers held a slalom race there in October, a known
>>> high-wind month. Course: A number of buoys streaming downwind from a
>>> single anchor. Zig-zag directly upwind, then directly downwind. That
>>> proving ground perfected the "San Francisco Roll", an impressive method
>>> of recovering from Laser's propensity for death rolls ending in a
>>> capsize to windward.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jere Lull
>>> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
>>> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
>>> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>>>
>>
>> The bay gets nasty winds, but not the big seas you see offshore. The bay
>> is a shallow body of water, the shipping channels are only about 35'
>> deep, and unlike the Great Lakes, does not have a 100 miles of open water
>> to build up nasty big, square waves. The Islander was good for bay
>> cruising and there was a large group of racers running them in the
>> 1970's. But my FIL did do the Hawaii race but not on an Islander 30.
>>
>
>
> Well... the minimum channel depth is perhaps 35', but the bay is over 200
> ft deep in the north bay. You're correct that we don't get waves/swells
> like the ocean, but we do get both. You can easily have 7-10 ft waves near
> the Gate, and the chop can be 5+ with 40+ kts wind.
>
>
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>
>
>

Most of the North Bay is very shallow. 10-12' or less. Under or near the
gate is probably the only 200' depth. The area between the islands at the
Brothers is only 90' and the tide rips through there. Yes we get a 5' wind
chop but not big swells with the chop on top inside the bay.
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"Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> "Capt. JG" <jganz.DeleteThis@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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>> "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Jere Lull" <jerelull.DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On 2008-06-17 16:46:29 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>
>>>> said:
>>>>
>>>>> Do not know that much about an Island 36, but my father in law had an
>>>>> Islander 30 mk ll and even though was a very nice sailboat, was not
>>>>> one for
>>>>> long range cruising. Was a good boat for San Francisco bay and maybe
>>>>> cruising down to Santa Cruz.
>>>>
>>>> From what I've heard of SF Bay, that's a pretty good proving ground for
>>>> sloppy weather and water. Boats built for those conditions were a bit
>>>> tougher, in my observation.
>>>>
>>>> Years back, Lasers held a slalom race there in October, a known
>>>> high-wind month. Course: A number of buoys streaming downwind from a
>>>> single anchor. Zig-zag directly upwind, then directly downwind. That
>>>> proving ground perfected the "San Francisco Roll", an impressive method
>>>> of recovering from Laser's propensity for death rolls ending in a
>>>> capsize to windward.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jere Lull
>>>> Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
>>>> Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
>>>> Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/
>>>>
>>>
>>> The bay gets nasty winds, but not the big seas you see offshore. The
>>> bay is a shallow body of water, the shipping channels are only about 35'
>>> deep, and unlike the Great Lakes, does not have a 100 miles of open
>>> water to build up nasty big, square waves. The Islander was good for
>>> bay cruising and there was a large group of racers running them in the
>>> 1970's. But my FIL did do the Hawaii race but not on an Islander 30.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Well... the minimum channel depth is perhaps 35', but the bay is over 200
>> ft deep in the north bay. You're correct that we don't get waves/swells
>> like the ocean, but we do get both. You can easily have 7-10 ft waves
>> near the Gate, and the chop can be 5+ with 40+ kts wind.
>>
>>
>> --
>> "j" ganz @@
>> www.sailnow.com
>>
>>
>>
>
> Most of the North Bay is very shallow. 10-12' or less. Under or near the
> gate is probably the only 200' depth. The area between the islands at the
> Brothers is only 90' and the tide rips through there. Yes we get a 5'
> wind chop but not big swells with the chop on top inside the bay.
>


Not sure what chart you're looking at, but I suppose it depends on your
definition of "most." The channels are in the 300 to 70 foot range until you
get past Alcatraz, then the channels drop to the 40-45' range toward the
Richmond Bridge, but are deeper toward the Bay Bridge. Past the channel line
toward the Richmond Bridge, you're in the Southhampton Shoal and Bezerkeley
area, which is expansive, but shallow in the 10-15 ft range.

The Brothers are not in what I would consider the true north bay. They're
just off San Pablo Strait, which is quite a way from the deep water
channels, although that straight is a deep water channel that runs through
San Pablo Bay. Area-wise I suppose you can claim by total area the north bay
is quite shallow, but that doesn't really tell anyone much about the north
bay. I don't know of any major shipping channels in this part of the bay
that are "35" feet. More like 50% greater or more.

We were coming back up from Treasure Island from the Summer Sailstice to Pt.
Richmond. We got small swells and 5 ft. chop on a beam most of the trip.
Depth was 10-15 or so after we cleared Treasure Island, where it was in the
high 30s, low 40s.

By the Gate toward Alcatraz, one can easily get decent size swells and 5+ ft
chop.


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On Jun 22, 2:45 pm, "Capt. JG" <jg....TakeThisOut@sailnow.invalid> wrote:
> The Brothers are not in what I would consider the true north bay. ...

Okay, I'm confused. I thought the "north bay" was the area more or
less north of say San Rafael/Richmond (ie. San Pablo), the "central
bay" the area south of that to the Bay Bridge and the "south bay" the
remainder. So, the Brothers would be on the south end of the north
bay, no?

-- Tom.


A lot of people are confused. Perhaps that's because of the GG entrance.
When people (most) refer to the "North Bay," they're usually referring to
the part from the "triangle" of GG, Bay Bridge, and Richmond/San Rafael. Of
course, if you're going by actual compass, north is in the San Pablo Bay.
This isn't used much for pleasure sailing compared to the triangle. The
South Bay is typically referred to as that below the Bay Bridge down to the
mud flats below Redwood City. Even Alameda isn't really part of the North
Bay, even though it's damn close and few would quibble. Where you are, for
example, is usually considered East Bay, even though it's nearly due Mag
north from part of SF. Where I am, in Pt. Richmond is considered a North Bay
marina in the East Bay... heh. I have yet to hear anyone refer to the West
Bay, but I suppose it happens. It would probably be followed by "Do you mean
by Horseshoe?"

Get with it man! You're on the left coast!

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On 2008-06-22 15:19:41 -0400, "Calif Bill" <bmckeespam.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com> said:

> Most of the North Bay is very shallow. 10-12' or less. Under or near the
> gate is probably the only 200' depth. The area between the islands at the
> Brothers is only 90' and the tide rips through there. Yes we get a 5' wind
> chop but not big swells with the chop on top inside the bay.

My experience has been that those square waves in shallow water are
worse. Swells are hardly a factor since they're so gentle. We've done
open water with 6+' waves over 8+ swells. Was a wonderful romp though I
avoided close-hauled and close reaches simply because I don't like
salt-water showers.

Waves half that size will keep me in the anchorage on the Northern
Chesapeake (8-12') unless I have a need to get "there"... Ain't much
fun, even on a broad reach and I've lost any need to prove we *can*
take that sorta stuff. Been there, done that, and when caught out don't
panic, just do the things we need to do with a well-developed
choreography.

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Calif Bill wrote:
> "Capt. JG" <jganz.TakeThisOut@sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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> No body refers to the water, except maybe an out of stater, as North Bay, or
> East Bay or West Bay. A rare occasion some will refer to the Southern part
> of SF Bay as South Bay, as 'I was fishing the South Bay'. Only the land
> masses are referred to by compass points.
> and North Bay usually refers to Marin County.
>
>

Thank you for not getting into 'Basins'.

Rick
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"Rick Cortese" <ricortes RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Calif Bill wrote:
>> "Capt. JG" <jganz RemoveThis @sailnow.invalid> wrote in message
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> <snip>
>> No body refers to the water, except maybe an out of stater, as North Bay,
>> or East Bay or West Bay. A rare occasion some will refer to the Southern
>> part of SF Bay as South Bay, as 'I was fishing the South Bay'. Only the
>> land masses are referred to by compass points.
>> and North Bay usually refers to Marin County.
>
> Thank you for not getting into 'Basins'.
>
> Rick


As in the Silicon Valley basin.... lol

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:11:52 -0400, "Roger Long"
<strider DeleteThis @maine.rr.com> wrote:
> When I am steering,
>another nice thing about the wheel for someone with wrists prone to
>repeditive stress injury is the variety of grips that can be used.

You have the joints of a thirty year old..
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On Jun 16, 4:05 pm, "tsmw...@gmail.com" <tsmw....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 9:28 am, justwaitafrekinmin....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
>
> > I do agree with you though, it is cause the kid is rich, and the rest
> > are jelous...
>
> I don't know if this kid is rich but "BJ" Caldwell who held the record
> for like a fortnight in the 90's was no rich kid.  He financed the
> whole thing on a scarily thin budget through the fruits of his own
> labor.  The thing that always amazed me was that he wanted to do it so
> badly.  I've raced with BJ and against him and he seems like a
> rational enough guy but...  Yeah, I'd sail solo around the world if I
> got a serious pay check out of it, but what's so fun about being
> lonely and in peril that anyone would want to dedicate years and money
> to it?
>
> -- Tom.

how about personal growth. some don't know age, just desire, will and
support for for their dreams from the ones closest to them.

good luck to him will be following his journey and growth.

alan maling
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On Jun 17, 12:26 am, Gordon <gaz....DeleteThis@olypen.com> wrote:
> Larry wrote:
> > 7seassin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote in news:4429b6e0-b333-4f3d-b508-736af60614d1
> > @d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> Maybe his parents want him to be successful
> >> Success is a journey, not a destination.
> >> The doing is often more important than the outcome.
>
> >> Fred
>
> > Maybe they wanted to get rid of him.  Sending a 16-year-old kid who knows
> > everything out on the open ocean in a little boat is certainly a great way
> > to do that without attracting the ire of the cops and child abuse
> > investigators from CSI.
>
> > He's a CHILD!  I'm not sure this isn't child abuse after he gets killed or
> > maimed or lost.  If you send your CHILDREN into harms way, they arrest you
> > where I live.
>
> > He's a CHILD FOR TWO MORE YEARS!  Ask any Dept of Social Services
> > bureaucrat hell bent on arresting you for slapping him in the face.
>
>    I've always wondered how a child became an adult overnight just
> because he suddenly is 18 instead of 17. A child yesterday and
> overnight--- a man. Amazing!!
>   Gordon- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

well stated...lol
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