Even the geek who has everything...

<salty RemoveThis @dog.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>>
>>
>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>
>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>>6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.
>>
>>Eisboch
>>
>
> Purists would find that horrifying!
>
> I have an old Super Reverb black face from around that era. Less power
> than a twin, and four 10" speakers. Personally, I think it was the
> best sounding guitar amp Fender ever produced. Something about the
> acoustic coupling of the 4-10" speakers just works really well for
> guitar. Amp-wise, it's basically just a Tremolux with reverb added.
> Like the other amps of that era, including the twin, it lacks channel
> switching, which makes it less than ideal for playing out. At 35
> watts, it really isn't loud enough anyway, unless mic'ed through a PA.
>
>

Last night I was pleasantly surprised. Over the past year I've redeveloped
an interest in guitars and have collected a few, including amps. I enjoy
the different sound and play "feel" of the guitar types and amp
combinations.

Two of the guitars are Taylor acoustic/electrics, a 6 string and a 12
string. When played through my old Marshall Valvestat, the solid sate
Fender or the Vox amps, these guitars sounded horrible. So, I visited my
local music shop and bought a Kustom acoustic guitar amp and the Taylors
sound nice through it.

Last night I tried the Taylors plugged into the "Normal" channel of the
Fender Twin. Absolutely beautiful sound ... nice, rich, full and clean. I
was really surprised.

I haven't tried the EC "Blackie" yet. I suspect it will sound good.

Eisboch
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

This just showed up on Gene's server, along with some of the thread started
by Harry, although his original post isn't here ... yet.


"RMR" <justwaitafrekinminute.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j2lla4trvir2t9e8sv4q3o2du6gj02l436@4ax.com...
> Well, things should get better. I just plonked salty and harry, as
> soon as my other bud posts again, he will get the same. Last time i
> did it wrong and killed entire threads.. Think I got it right this
> time. Agent is quite extensive, a lot to go though, I guess I'll
> need to be a little more patient..
>
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:38:56 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><justwaitafrekinminute.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1ec09733-d60c-489e-8687-0b7d04b0f114@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>Hey Dick, let me know if you are getting my posts, if you are using
>>Genes server to read and post you won't...
>>
>>--------------------------
>>
>>I alternate back and forth between Gene's server and my Giganews server,
>>mainly because it's interesting to see how his filter algorithms work.
>>
>>For example .... this whole thread .... originally started by Harry ....
>>does not show up on Gene's at all, at least not so far.
>>So you aren't there, but none of the respondents, including Harry's
>>original
>>post "Even the geek who has everything" is not there at the time of this
>>post.
>>
>>Yet, all of our OT discussion about the Norwegian Utopia is there.
>>
>>I've noticed that most of the time posts on Gene's server show up much
>>later
>>after they appear on Giganews, although occasionally they show up on
>>Gene's
>>faster.
>>
>>Eisboch
>>


The above post by you just showed up on Gene's server, along with some of
the thread started by Harry, although his original post isn't here ... yet

Eisboch
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

Eisboch wrote:
> <salty RemoveThis @dog.com> wrote in message
> news:82kla492gl48vbctjggtgvs0gjk6l9d3id@4ax.com...
>
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>>>
>>> Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>>
>>> Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>>> 6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.
>>>
>>> Eisboch
>>>
>> Purists would find that horrifying!
>>
>> I have an old Super Reverb black face from around that era. Less power
>> than a twin, and four 10" speakers. Personally, I think it was the
>> best sounding guitar amp Fender ever produced. Something about the
>> acoustic coupling of the 4-10" speakers just works really well for
>> guitar. Amp-wise, it's basically just a Tremolux with reverb added.
>> Like the other amps of that era, including the twin, it lacks channel
>> switching, which makes it less than ideal for playing out. At 35
>> watts, it really isn't loud enough anyway, unless mic'ed through a PA.
>>
>>
>
> Last night I was pleasantly surprised. Over the past year I've redeveloped
> an interest in guitars and have collected a few, including amps. I enjoy
> the different sound and play "feel" of the guitar types and amp
> combinations.
>
> Two of the guitars are Taylor acoustic/electrics, a 6 string and a 12
> string. When played through my old Marshall Valvestat, the solid sate
> Fender or the Vox amps, these guitars sounded horrible. So, I visited my
> local music shop and bought a Kustom acoustic guitar amp and the Taylors
> sound nice through it.
>
> Last night I tried the Taylors plugged into the "Normal" channel of the
> Fender Twin. Absolutely beautiful sound ... nice, rich, full and clean. I
> was really surprised.
>
> I haven't tried the EC "Blackie" yet. I suspect it will sound good.
>
> Eisboch
>
>


Which one are you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OXrmxDp44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6gDeGdQ3rM


:>)
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:19:00 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
><salty.RemoveThis@dog.com> wrote in message
>news:82kla492gl48vbctjggtgvs0gjk6l9d3id@4ax.com...
>
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>>
>>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>>>6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.
>>>
>>>Eisboch
>>>
>>
>> Purists would find that horrifying!
>>
>> I have an old Super Reverb black face from around that era. Less power
>> than a twin, and four 10" speakers. Personally, I think it was the
>> best sounding guitar amp Fender ever produced. Something about the
>> acoustic coupling of the 4-10" speakers just works really well for
>> guitar. Amp-wise, it's basically just a Tremolux with reverb added.
>> Like the other amps of that era, including the twin, it lacks channel
>> switching, which makes it less than ideal for playing out. At 35
>> watts, it really isn't loud enough anyway, unless mic'ed through a PA.
>>
>>
>
>Last night I was pleasantly surprised. Over the past year I've redeveloped
>an interest in guitars and have collected a few, including amps. I enjoy
>the different sound and play "feel" of the guitar types and amp
>combinations.
>
>Two of the guitars are Taylor acoustic/electrics, a 6 string and a 12
>string. When played through my old Marshall Valvestat, the solid sate
>Fender or the Vox amps, these guitars sounded horrible. So, I visited my
>local music shop and bought a Kustom acoustic guitar amp and the Taylors
>sound nice through it.
>
>Last night I tried the Taylors plugged into the "Normal" channel of the
>Fender Twin. Absolutely beautiful sound ... nice, rich, full and clean. I
>was really surprised.
>
>I haven't tried the EC "Blackie" yet. I suspect it will sound good.
>
>Eisboch
>

Strat+Twin is one of the classic combinations.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT),
justwaitafrekinminute RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:

>On Aug 19, 11:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
><em... RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:41:57 -0400, sa... RemoveThis @dog.com wrote:
>> >On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:19:00 -0400, "Eisboch" <r... RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >><sa... RemoveThis @dog.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:82kla492gl48vbctjggtgvs0gjk6l9d3id@4ax.com...
>>
>> >>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <r... RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>
>> >>>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>
>> >>>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier.   It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>> >>>>6L6's,  (2) 12AT7's,  (4) 12AX7's.
>>
>> >>>>Eisboch
>>
>> >>> Purists would find that horrifying!
>>
>> >>> I have an old Super Reverb black face from around that era. Less power
>> >>> than a twin, and four 10" speakers. Personally, I think it was the
>> >>> best sounding guitar amp Fender ever produced. Something about the
>> >>> acoustic coupling of the 4-10" speakers just works really well for
>> >>> guitar. Amp-wise, it's basically just a Tremolux with reverb added.
>> >>> Like the other amps of that era, including the twin, it lacks channel
>> >>> switching, which makes it less than ideal for playing out. At 35
>> >>> watts, it really isn't loud enough anyway, unless mic'ed through a PA.
>>
>> >>Last night I was pleasantly surprised.   Over the past year I've redeveloped
>> >>an interest in guitars and have collected a few, including amps.   I enjoy
>> >>the different sound and play "feel" of the guitar types and amp
>> >>combinations.
>>
>> >>Two of the guitars are Taylor acoustic/electrics, a 6 string and a 12
>> >>string.   When played through my old Marshall Valvestat, the solid sate
>> >>Fender or the Vox amps, these guitars sounded horrible.   So, I visited my
>> >>local music shop and bought a Kustom acoustic guitar amp and the Taylors
>> >>sound nice through it.
>>
>> >>Last night I tried the Taylors plugged into the "Normal" channel of the
>> >>Fender Twin.   Absolutely beautiful sound ... nice, rich, full and clean.  I
>> >>was really surprised.
>>
>> >>I haven't tried the EC "Blackie" yet.  I suspect it will sound good.
>>
>> >Strat+Twin is one of the classic combinations.
>>
>> Strat and anything is a classic combination.  :>)
>>
>> I have an orignial Bandmaster - I wish I played more than I do.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Bring it over here, I will play it for a while for you, and if you
>have an old tube amp, bring it too... Bad enough I can't play, but to
>put it though my peavey wouldn't do it justice, even at 210
>watts...

Um... Bandmaster is an amp, not a guitar, stairflopper.
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:07:30 -0700 (PDT),
justwaitafrekinminute.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:

>On Aug 19, 11:53 am, sa....TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT),
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>> >On Aug 19, 11:03 am, Short Wave Sportfishing
>> ><em....TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:41:57 -0400, sa....TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:
>> >> >On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:19:00 -0400, "Eisboch" <r....TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >><sa....TakeThisOut@dog.com> wrote in message
>> >> >>news:82kla492gl48vbctjggtgvs0gjk6l9d3id@4ax.com...
>>
>> >> >>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <r....TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>
>> >> >>>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>
>> >> >>>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier.   It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>> >> >>>>6L6's,  (2) 12AT7's,  (4) 12AX7's.
>>
>> >> >>>>Eisboch
>>
>> >> >>> Purists would find that horrifying!
>>
>> >> >>> I have an old Super Reverb black face from around that era. Less power
>> >> >>> than a twin, and four 10" speakers. Personally, I think it was the
>> >> >>> best sounding guitar amp Fender ever produced. Something about the
>> >> >>> acoustic coupling of the 4-10" speakers just works really well for
>> >> >>> guitar. Amp-wise, it's basically just a Tremolux with reverb added.
>> >> >>> Like the other amps of that era, including the twin, it lacks channel
>> >> >>> switching, which makes it less than ideal for playing out. At 35
>> >> >>> watts, it really isn't loud enough anyway, unless mic'ed through a PA.
>>
>> >> >>Last night I was pleasantly surprised.   Over the past year I've redeveloped
>> >> >>an interest in guitars and have collected a few, including amps.   I enjoy
>> >> >>the different sound and play "feel" of the guitar types and amp
>> >> >>combinations.
>>
>> >> >>Two of the guitars are Taylor acoustic/electrics, a 6 string and a 12
>> >> >>string.   When played through my old Marshall Valvestat, the solid sate
>> >> >>Fender or the Vox amps, these guitars sounded horrible.   So, I visited my
>> >> >>local music shop and bought a Kustom acoustic guitar amp and the Taylors
>> >> >>sound nice through it.
>>
>> >> >>Last night I tried the Taylors plugged into the "Normal" channel of the
>> >> >>Fender Twin.   Absolutely beautiful sound ... nice, rich, full and clean.  I
>> >> >>was really surprised.
>>
>> >> >>I haven't tried the EC "Blackie" yet.  I suspect it will sound good.
>>
>> >> >Strat+Twin is one of the classic combinations.
>>
>> >> Strat and anything is a classic combination.  :>)
>>
>> >> I have an orignial Bandmaster - I wish I played more than I do.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >Bring it over here, I will play it for a while for you, and if you
>> >have an old tube amp, bring it too... Bad enough I can't play, but to
>> >put it though my peavey wouldn't do it justice, even at 210
>> >watts...
>>
>> Um... Bandmaster is an amp, not a guitar, stairflopper.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Yup, realized I snipped the wrong post,, you caught me, you must be
>proud.. Man, get a life..

Your Al Gore Rhythm seems to be faulty, stairflopper. You aren't
supposed to be seeing my posts that upset you so much. Gene did all
that work specifically to isolate and shut you up. I guess you haven't
figured that out yet.
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

On Aug 19, 5:13 pm, hk <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Libs don't really understand art unless it has a pricetag, and a good
> > one.. of if one of their friends have it;)  
>
> Please...stop demonstrating your ignorance and idiocy. You've long ago
> convinced us.
>
> If it weren't for "liberals," there wouldn't be much art, music or
> literature. Most of the world's great artists in every medium were
> forward-thinkers, and if they were championed, it was by those with
> liberal underpinnings.

Ok, let me change that to elite, closed minded, narcissistic, cowardly
hide under your desk and troll, weren't allowed to listen to radio as
a kid, attacks in every forum he posts to, liberals... You know, the
intolerant ignorant kind, like salty...
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

On Aug 19, 5:21 pm, hk <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > On Aug 19, 5:13 pm, hk <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> >> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>> Libs don't really understand art unless it has a pricetag, and a good
> >>> one.. of if one of their friends have it;)  
> >> Please...stop demonstrating your ignorance and idiocy. You've long ago
> >> convinced us.
>
> >> If it weren't for "liberals," there wouldn't be much art, music or
> >> literature. Most of the world's great artists in every medium were
> >> forward-thinkers, and if they were championed, it was by those with
> >> liberal underpinnings.
>
> > Ok, let me change that to elite, closed minded, narcissistic, cowardly
> > hide under your desk and troll, weren't allowed to listen to radio as
> > a kid, attacks in every forum he posts to, liberals... You know, the
> > intolerant ignorant kind, like salty...
>
> When you say cowardly, I automatically think of Reggie first.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Not me, I think of you hiding behind your precious Bozo's bin calling
people names, you lying pig.
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:48:42 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>I have another, solid state Fender "Stage 1000" that has digital signal
>processing, etc. Sounds ok, but not like the tube twin.
>There isn't a chip, processor or digital circuit in it.

Ain't nuttin' like transformers and vacuum tubes.

Analog baby - analog. :>)
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>
><salty.RemoveThis@dog.com> wrote in message
>news:prhla4pkcrn21tb1pejul1oaoo684hk78n@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:48:42 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald P.
>>>Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " <nospamplease.RemoveThis@here.com> wrote in message
>>>news:S72dnXHEG803IDfVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>> "hk" <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:-7CdnWKCxfZeKzfVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> ...is unlikely to have this toy:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only $1589.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This geek much prefers this ....
>>>>>
>>>>> (new release of classic, 1965 twin .... 100% vacuum tube powered)
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eisboch.com/65twin.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>
>>>> I wondered why this was not done earlier.
>>>>
>>>> Do the "experts" say this sounds the same as the 1965 version?
>>>>
>>>
>>>I don't know. Sounds the same to me, but I am no expert.
>>>It has not been redesigned. Just re-released as a product. Same cabinet
>>>design, same Jensen "special" speakers, same tube pre-amps, reverb drivers
>>>and 6L6 output stage.
>>>
>>>I have another, solid state Fender "Stage 1000" that has digital signal
>>>processing, etc. Sounds ok, but not like the tube twin.
>>>There isn't a chip, processor or digital circuit in it.
>>>
>>>Eisboch
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>
>
>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>
>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.

Ah - now you ruined it.

Solid state - bleeeech.... :>)
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:h2ola4to2et2344ul4hfhnnug6cg8h6nqf@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>
>><salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com> wrote in message
>>news:prhla4pkcrn21tb1pejul1oaoo684hk78n@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:48:42 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald
>>>>P.
>>>>Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " <nospamplease.TakeThisOut@here.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:S72dnXHEG803IDfVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859.TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:-7CdnWKCxfZeKzfVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>> ...is unlikely to have this toy:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only $1589.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This geek much prefers this ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (new release of classic, 1965 twin .... 100% vacuum tube powered)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eisboch.com/65twin.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>
>>>>> I wondered why this was not done earlier.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the "experts" say this sounds the same as the 1965 version?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't know. Sounds the same to me, but I am no expert.
>>>>It has not been redesigned. Just re-released as a product. Same
>>>>cabinet
>>>>design, same Jensen "special" speakers, same tube pre-amps, reverb
>>>>drivers
>>>>and 6L6 output stage.
>>>>
>>>>I have another, solid state Fender "Stage 1000" that has digital signal
>>>>processing, etc. Sounds ok, but not like the tube twin.
>>>>There isn't a chip, processor or digital circuit in it.
>>>>
>>>>Eisboch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>>
>>
>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>
>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>>6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.
>
> Ah - now you ruined it.
>
> Solid state - bleeeech.... :>)

What does a full wave, solid state bridge recifier have to do with the sound
of the preamps and power amps?
All it does is supply clean B+ and bias voltages to the grids? I'll bet
the solids are cleaner, DC wise, than the tubes.

Eisboch
 >> Stay informed about: Even the geek who has everything... 

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:56 -0400, "Eisboch" <nothere RemoveThis @nowhere.com>
wrote:

>
>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>news:h2ola4to2et2344ul4hfhnnug6cg8h6nqf@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:45:33 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><salty RemoveThis @dog.com> wrote in message
>>>news:prhla4pkcrn21tb1pejul1oaoo684hk78n@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:48:42 -0400, "Eisboch" <rce RemoveThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Earl of Warwich, Duke of Cornwall, Marquies of Anglesea, Sir Reginald
>>>>>P.
>>>>>Smithers III Esq. LLC, STP. " <nospamplease RemoveThis @here.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:S72dnXHEG803IDfVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>> Eisboch wrote:
>>>>>>> "hk" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:-7CdnWKCxfZeKzfVnZ2dnUVZ_gidnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>> ...is unlikely to have this toy:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/9836/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only $1589.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This geek much prefers this ....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (new release of classic, 1965 twin .... 100% vacuum tube powered)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eisboch.com/65twin.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eisboch
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wondered why this was not done earlier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do the "experts" say this sounds the same as the 1965 version?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know. Sounds the same to me, but I am no expert.
>>>>>It has not been redesigned. Just re-released as a product. Same
>>>>>cabinet
>>>>>design, same Jensen "special" speakers, same tube pre-amps, reverb
>>>>>drivers
>>>>>and 6L6 output stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have another, solid state Fender "Stage 1000" that has digital signal
>>>>>processing, etc. Sounds ok, but not like the tube twin.
>>>>>There isn't a chip, processor or digital circuit in it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eisboch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does it have the original tube rectifier, or the later replacement?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Hold on .... I'll check ....
>>>
>>>Must be a solid state (brick) rectifier. It has 10 tubes total .... (4)
>>>6L6's, (2) 12AT7's, (4) 12AX7's.
>>
>> Ah - now you ruined it.
>>
>> Solid state - bleeeech.... :>)
>
>What does a full wave, solid state bridge recifier have to do with the sound
>of the preamps and power amps?
>All it does is supply clean B+ and bias voltages to the grids? I'll bet
>the solids are cleaner, DC wise, than the tubes.
>
>Eisboch
>

Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube
amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the
objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification.

How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such
as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear
the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a
physiological impossibility.
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>
> Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube
> amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the
> objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification.
>
> How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such
> as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear
> the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a
> physiological impossibility.
>

If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by one
or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the power
got there. At that point, DC is DC.

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