Even the geek who has everything...

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:22:39 -0400, salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:40 -0400, John H.
><salmonremovebait@gmaildotcom> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:41:59 -0400, salty.TakeThisOut@dog.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT),
>>>justwaitafrekinminute@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Aug 19, 5:13 pm, hk <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>>> justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Libs don't really understand art unless it has a pricetag, and a good
>>>>> > one.. of if one of their friends have it;)  
>>>>>
>>>>> Please...stop demonstrating your ignorance and idiocy. You've long ago
>>>>> convinced us.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it weren't for "liberals," there wouldn't be much art, music or
>>>>> literature. Most of the world's great artists in every medium were
>>>>> forward-thinkers, and if they were championed, it was by those with
>>>>> liberal underpinnings.
>>>>
>>>>Ok, let me change that to elite, closed minded, narcissistic, cowardly
>>>>hide under your desk and troll, weren't allowed to listen to radio as
>>>>a kid,
>>>
>>>My father built a rehearsal studio addition on our house and
>>>encouraged us to use it with our friends as often as possible. In
>>>1957, when I started taking guitar lessons, he took lessons for the
>>>first year right alongside me, so he could help me with practice
>>>during the week if I got stuck on something.
>>
>>Your father sounds like a very supportive individual. Do you and he share
>>your rec.boats experiences?
>
>He lived a good long life and died a couple weeks short of his 95th
>birthday, still doing the Sunday Times crossword... in pen.

Sorry to hear that. He sounded like a great guy.
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** Good Day! **

John H
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch" <nothere.DeleteThis@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with
>tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier
>versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In
>both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the
>plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps.
>I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless of
>source, makes any difference in sound or coloration

I agree and you are correct.

It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the
universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my
acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last
initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways
off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national
level with her professional association.

I can't freakin' win for losing today. :>)
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.RemoveThis@ld.duck> wrote:

>
>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.RemoveThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>> <waynebatrecdotboats.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>><email.RemoveThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>
>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>
>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>
>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>
>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>> dark.
>>
>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>
>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes in
>the rx and tx would glow for sure.

Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.DeleteThis@ld.duck> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>> <waynebatrecdotboats.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>><email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>
>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>
>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>
>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>
>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>> dark.
>>>
>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>
>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes
>>in
>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>
> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.

Got it, tnx.....memory fart.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:37:16 -0400, Wayne.B
<waynebatrecdotboats DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:41:27 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
><email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>
>>Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>
>>Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>
>>I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>dark.
>>
>>Now that's a sight. :>)
>
>Yes, nothing like that dull red glow from the plates of power tetrode
>that is really pushing out the watts! And if it happens to be just a
>tad gassy you get that interesting blue flicker, all of which has
>unfortunately gone missing in the solid state era. Someone with a big
>old amp should make some YouTube videos for old times sake.

Yeah "somebody" should. :>)
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don DeleteThis @ld.duck> wrote:

>
>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don DeleteThis @ld.duck> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>>> <waynebatrecdotboats DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>>><email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>>
>>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>>
>>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>>> dark.
>>>>
>>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>>
>>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes
>>>in
>>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>>
>> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
>> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
>
>Got it, tnx.....memory fart.

The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.

Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :>)
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:sidma4tlreu198rn1fdokreja318e93si3@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don DeleteThis @ld.duck> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don DeleteThis @ld.duck> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>>>> <waynebatrecdotboats DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>>>><email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>>>
>>>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>>>> dark.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>>>
>>>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes
>>>>in
>>>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>>>
>>> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
>>> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
>>
>>Got it, tnx.....memory fart.
>
> The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
> S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.
>
> Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :>)

I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home
at full legal power plus a little for good measure.
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email DeleteThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:j13ma45qn3utjrj1jt0853t6kg7c8af326@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:42:06 -0400, "Eisboch" <nothere DeleteThis @nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><salty DeleteThis @dog.com> wrote in message
>>news:0vula4hktik9a2a34p1r4rj269gpp77efv@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:50:49 -0400, "Eisboch" <nothere DeleteThis @nowhere.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>><salty DeleteThis @dog.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:8vtla4plfhaak7i04po0j6tculgmppjguu@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and solid state pre amps and power amps are cleaner than tube
>>>>> amps, as well. Clean and accurate reproduction is not necessarily the
>>>>> objective with tube amplifiers for musical instrument amplification.
>>>>>
>>>>> How the power is delivered to tubes can measurably affect things such
>>>>> as rise time and decay. I'm not promising that you can actually hear
>>>>> the difference, but purists will swear they can even if it is a
>>>>> physiological impossibility.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If you think about it though, the "power" is really being delivered by
>>>>one
>>>>or more big filter capacitors. I never asked one if it cared how the
>>>>power
>>>>got there. At that point, DC is DC.
>>>>
>>>>Eisboch
>>>>
>>>
>>> You would think so, wouldn't you! Bear in mind that a vacuum tube is a
>>> mechanical structure and not all of the power is part of the signal
>>> path. You have to account for uneven heat, vibration and other
>>> anomalies that all go into what come out. The vagaries of a wimpy,
>>> tube rectified power supply, with hand rolled paper caps should not be
>>> underestimated.
>>>
>>> Purists will also insist that point to point wiring sounds different
>>> than circuit board construction. They may be right about that in some
>>> cases. Sounds crazy, though...
>>>
>>
>>I'll buy into the point to point wiring. An important critera used in
>>high
>>quality tube amps was to design the chassis so the signal wiring was as
>>far
>>away as possible from the power wiring. And, if you noted any funny
>>noises
>>or distortion, you could always re-route the wires.
>>
>>As for the power supply, I am still not convinced a tube rectifier is
>>going
>>to sound (or display on an O'scope) any different than solid state, if
>>measured at the filter stage or any B+ test point. The audio amplifiers
>>certainly are different between solid state and tubes and that is readily
>>noticeable, even by people with tin ears.
>>But 300 volts DC?
>
> Well, good points every one.
>
> However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
> similar power level solid state monoblock.
>
> And I know others who can.
>
> So there must be something to it.
>
> Maybe it's all in our heads.
>
> Mine's certainly empty enough. :>)


Solid state did great things in the 1940's. Magnetic Amps controlled the
16" guns on the battleships. But Russia used microtubes / micro-valves for
the English, in their ICBMs and other rockets.
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Vic Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:51 -0400, hk <payer33859.RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>
>> The only possibility I can think of is that the woman was extremely
>> nearsighted, and couldn't quite focus on me. :>)
>
> Was probably that Old Spice.
>
> --Vic


Ahhhh! Maybe I should order another liter, er, gallon!
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:ukbma459lsj2ktuobsbm1st9sp73piuh2c@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:09:18 -0400, "Eisboch" <nothere RemoveThis @nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I am questioning if anyone can really discern a difference in an amp with
>>tube audio amplifiers that has a solid state, full wave bridge rectifier
>>versus the same tube type amp that also has a tube rectifier section. In
>>both cases, the rectifier, tube or solid state, is simply producing the
>>plate and grid voltages needed for the audio (signal) tube amps.
>>I just don't think that the resultant, filtered high voltage, regardless
>>of
>>source, makes any difference in sound or coloration
>
> I agree and you are correct.
>
> It's been one of those days - I'm totally out of synch with life, the
> universe and everything. Additionally, a certain person of my
> acquaintance (not to mention any names, but first initial Mrs. last
> initial Wave) cheerfully informed me that retirement is still a ways
> off because she has some things she wants to accomplish at a national
> level with her professional association.
>
> I can't freakin' win for losing today. :>)

And you forgot about the old Silicon Rectifiers.
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don RemoveThis @ld.duck> wrote:

>
>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>news:sidma4tlreu198rn1fdokreja318e93si3@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don RemoveThis @ld.duck> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don RemoveThis @ld.duck> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>>>>> <waynebatrecdotboats RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>>>>><email RemoveThis @swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>>>>> dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes
>>>>>in
>>>>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
>>>> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
>>>
>>>Got it, tnx.....memory fart.
>>
>> The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
>> S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.
>>
>> Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :>)
>
>I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
>Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home
>at full legal power plus a little for good measure.

I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability
to REALLY crank it up. :>)

QRP? HA!!!

Anyhoo...

My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he
and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and
such.

Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded
antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew
California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a
second generator and battery system to power the whole thing.

Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona
ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self
never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used
huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the
door posts. :>)

Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :>)
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:46:41 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
<email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.TakeThisOut@ld.duck> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>news:sidma4tlreu198rn1fdokreja318e93si3@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.TakeThisOut@ld.duck> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.TakeThisOut@ld.duck> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>>>>>> <waynebatrecdotboats.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>>>>>><email.TakeThisOut@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening after
>>>>>>> dark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass tubes
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
>>>>> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
>>>>
>>>>Got it, tnx.....memory fart.
>>>
>>> The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
>>> S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.
>>>
>>> Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :>)
>>
>>I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
>>Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back home
>>at full legal power plus a little for good measure.
>
>I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability
>to REALLY crank it up. :>)
>
>QRP? HA!!!
>
>Anyhoo...
>
>My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he
>and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and
>such.
>
>Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded
>antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew
>California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a
>second generator and battery system to power the whole thing.
>
>Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona
>ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self
>never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used
>huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the
>door posts. :>)
>
>Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :>)

The MARS folks were a Godsend while I was in Vietnam. Thanks a bunch.
You're the first one I've ever known about and had the opportunity to
thank. Y'all did a super job!

Of course it would have been even better if the wife didn't ask things
like, "Where are you, what are you doing...?"
--
** Good Day! **

John H
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
news:h6fma493diadta86htgb2ldviiepoo9j0r@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:18:19 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.DeleteThis@ld.duck> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>news:sidma4tlreu198rn1fdokreja318e93si3@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:03:07 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.DeleteThis@ld.duck> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:uacma4tpn5akm0f31c2b5hu3o2qbpq7m29@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:12 -0400, "D.Duck" <Don.DeleteThis@ld.duck> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Short Wave Sportfishing" <email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:kc8ma4lmppfvlcgh1tuladh2lk8c2ghfj8@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:27:22 -0400, Wayne.B
>>>>>>> <waynebatrecdotboats.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:21:40 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
>>>>>>>><email.DeleteThis@swsportsremove.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>However, I can tell the difference between, say, my Mac 50s and a
>>>>>>>>>similar power level solid state monoblock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think it's safe to say that the old tube amps had more "warmth",
>>>>>>>>just the thing for a cold winter's night in New England.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, the extra added advantage of glowing in the dark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing like a dim room and the soft glow of vacuum tubes. :>)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I should take a picture of my Dad's Collins S-line some evening
>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>> dark.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that's a sight. :>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don't the 30S-1 and 30L-1 use ceramic output tubes? Now the glass
>>>>>>tubes
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the rx and tx would glow for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only the 30S-1 - cathode drive, ceramic triodes. The 30L-1 uses four
>>>>> 811A glass triodes cathode drive in parallel.
>>>>
>>>>Got it, tnx.....memory fart.
>>>
>>> The only reason I know that is because my Dad had both of them - the
>>> S-1 I sold a few years ago because it is much too big for my purposes.
>>>
>>> Besides, the L-1 looks better on the desk. :>)
>>
>>I used to have a KW-1. There was a real brute. While I was in the USMC on
>>Okinawa in '59 I used to transmit hour after hour of RTTY messages back
>>home
>>at full legal power plus a little for good measure.
>
> I used to work MARS all the time when I was in SEA - loved the ability
> to REALLY crank it up. :>)
>
> QRP? HA!!!
>
> Anyhoo...
>
> My Dad was a rather conservative soul, but when it came to radios, he
> and his life long friend Fred used to "experiment" with antennas and
> such.
>
> Probably the classic Ed and Fred device was a 75 meter base loaded
> antenna on his '54 Ford Crown Victoria powered by a homebrew
> California kilowatt amp excited by his KWM-2. They jury rigged a
> second generator and battery system to power the whole thing.
>
> Occasionally, when the weather was right, you could produce a corona
> ball off the tip of the antenna which was a sight in and of it'self
> never mind the base loaded antenna. To keep it upright, they used
> huge electrical service insulators and manilla rope tied off to the
> door posts. :>)
>
> Then there...well, we'll tell that one another time. :>)

I've seen some really wild mobile contraptions in my day. Your Dad's sounds
like a real prize.
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