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Blewbyou2

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:51 am
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George , normaly if i have a situation like this i would not bring it on an
open forum , but ive listened over and over how you want to rid this news group
and shisters for taking peoples money ,
so i want to take this operunity to let everyone make there own judgemnts about
this situation.
Last yr i sent you my 951 motor to be gone threw to ready it for ss close
course racing .
I got the motor back and for unknown reasons could never find out why it had
water entering the motor , after tearing it down more times then i want to
count AND TO SAVE MY SANITY, i sold the boat and bought another 951 ,and
started fresh , i did take the cylinder off the old boat , in antiapation of
using it on the new boat , or selling outright , out of quriosity i sent the
cylinder to mel miller to inspect your work and to find out if there was
anymore usable hp to be had from the cylinder.
and to my total suprise i was told that the cylinder ,basiclly was just shined
up and that the ports where just cleaned up and not reallly ported at all?

Like i said in the beging of this post im not here to bash you , just wanted a
explination as to why the cylinder wasent ported ?
i think and alot of other people here feel very vunarable when it comes to
sending of our motors to be ported by someone , and find out that either it was
ported wrong or different then expected or not at all , i concidered you a
trusted freind and cant understand what happend .
Doug
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:38 am
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Douglas. First of all if your cylinder combustion chamber was subjected to
water, your engine would not live 5 seconds at WOT. As I recall you did run
it very successfully more then once, your problem started when you install
after market tuned pipe. If water was found in the rave valve area it had
come from the exhaust system. I have seen water damaged engines due to
failure in clearing it from the system at the end of a day. I do it after
run and repeat it again after I get home.

As fare as porting is concerned there is more then one way to do this job.
In order to evaluate what was done to any cylinder
engine builder has to have original data of a stock port configuration. Port
timing of OEM units very from 197 to 200 degree duration. Average BMEP of
OEM cylinder is in the order of 125 psi at 6950 rpm. Your cylinder measured
close to 200 degree, that is why there was no need to move large amount of
material from port area. According to my records exhaust port area was
finished at 155 Bmep- psi which equals to estimated hp increase near
ponies. at 6950 rpm. As I said before, you received cylinder which was flow
benched with in 1% of accuracy. The efficiency of port work is not measured
by dimensions, it is done using a flow bench. Power band is largely depended
on transfers and bust port vertical angle of flow and horizontal angles of
ports. My approach to engine modification is based on best possible results
using OEM parts, at lowest cost. Unlike many tuners who discard OEM parts
for larger profits by replacing them with so call better after market parts
I do not fallow that rout. I believe that it is not necessary to replace say
a cylinder head until structural integrity of stock head is totally
exhausted by machining procedure. In my experience 950 stock head is more
then sufficient to take this engine to high degree of modification say up to
and over 165 BMEP and estimated 19 hp increase of power band, not to
mansion additional ponies extracted by installing quality tuned pipe, and
increased CR ratio. Douglas I think you got lost by listening to may tuners.
As I said you have top of the line engine work done for the best price
period. There is another engine which was done to exact specifications like
yours. It runs great, the only difference is it was set up by man with
experience and open mind to fallow suggestions and advice by this tuner. You
can verify this by Dan at Adrenalin Racing in Ohio. 13259 Chardon Windsor
Chardon Ohio 44024 Tel 440-285-7606

I smell crap which is spreading by ugly carpenters. Don't you think its bit
late to come up with crap like this after two years gone by? If this post
was not intended to slander this tuner you would talk to me in person like
you have done on many occasions.I know where this garbage is coming from.

George Ski
HPT Sport USA
<a style='text-decoration: underline;' href="http://www.hpt-sport.com" target="_blank">www.hpt-sport.com</a>
Tel 270-898-2617


"Blewbyou2" <blewbyou2.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031115225136.01923.00000265@mb-m27.aol.com...
 > George , normaly if i have a situation like this i would not bring it on
an
 > open forum , but ive listened over and over how you want to rid this news
group
 > and shisters for taking peoples money ,
 > so i want to take this operunity to let everyone make there own judgemnts
about
 > this situation.
 > Last yr i sent you my 951 motor to be gone threw to ready it for ss close
 > course racing .
 > I got the motor back and for unknown reasons could never find out why it
had
 > water entering the motor , after tearing it down more times then i want to
 > count AND TO SAVE MY SANITY, i sold the boat and bought another 951 ,and
 > started fresh , i did take the cylinder off the old boat , in antiapation
of
 > using it on the new boat , or selling outright , out of quriosity i sent
the
 > cylinder to mel miller to inspect your work and to find out if there was
 > anymore usable hp to be had from the cylinder.
 > and to my total suprise i was told that the cylinder ,basiclly was just
shined
 > up and that the ports where just cleaned up and not reallly ported at all?
 >
 > Like i said in the beging of this post im not here to bash you , just
wanted a
 > explination as to why the cylinder wasent ported ?
 > i think and alot of other people here feel very vunarable when it comes to
 > sending of our motors to be ported by someone , and find out that either
it was
 > ported wrong or different then expected or not at all , i concidered you a
 > trusted freind and cant understand what happend .
 > Doug
 > AGAIN THIS POST WAS NOT INTENDED TO START A WAR
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:23 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:36 pm
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This was brought up this late because the cylinder was just sent to MM for
evaluation to see if i was going to use it on the new boat , as far as the
water is concerned ,im not going to blame anyone ,the exhast system was on the
boat from the start , i never switched pipes i must have presure tested the f'n
coffman 20 times , and changed gaskets as many , i even changed manifolds ,and
cylinders, and heads , the only thing that was left was the cases that were
also ported , i just got tired of dealing with it .

the pipe was not the problem because it still had the problem when i sold the
boat with the stock tuned pipe.

my best guess is the case has a small crack ,in the water passage that opened
up after the motor warmed up.
doesent really matter now , i just bugs me and always will that i could never
find it .

As far as the porting goes NO the carpenter has nothing to do with this ,he has
no idea about this post,this comes from evaluation from Mel Miller,last week .

i just couldnt understand why he would want 500 bucks to port a cylinder that
suppoally already had the best port job on the planet ?
above you talk about technical things you did to the cylinder , that really
means nothing to me ,because i know nothing about porting ,thats why i had you
do it

and now im having one of the most if not the most respected name in the
watercraft bus tell me that it was basiclly shined up and its going to cost 500
bucks to port it.

would you like me to send the cylinder to a 3rd source of your choice , to
evaluate the job?

Respectfully
Doug Grote
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:54 pm
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george ,
as for the comment of bringing this out this long after ,is a bit hypocitical
of you .

every post that involves Bill o'niel you take the opertunity to let everyone
know that bill and mel screwed you and you want your money back, for a top end
that you bought , how long ago.

George i'll say it again im not here to bash anyone , im just tring to figure
out , why im being asked to plop down another 500 for a port job that was
soppost to be ported alreaDY
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:08 pm
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Interesting.......Could the self proclaimed saviour of the newsgroup turn out
to be one of the two stroke rapists he has fought so hard to eliminate?Lets
hope not.I'd hate to have to think about the irony of that.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:58 pm
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Its probably his Stage 1 port job! Polish up the oem design.
"Blewbyou2" <blewbyou2.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031115225136.01923.00000265@mb-m27.aol.com...
 > George , normaly if i have a situation like this i would not bring it on
an
 > open forum , but ive listened over and over how you want to rid this news
group
 > and shisters for taking peoples money ,
 > so i want to take this operunity to let everyone make there own judgemnts
about
 > this situation.
 > Last yr i sent you my 951 motor to be gone threw to ready it for ss close
 > course racing .
 > I got the motor back and for unknown reasons could never find out why it
had
 > water entering the motor , after tearing it down more times then i want to
 > count AND TO SAVE MY SANITY, i sold the boat and bought another 951 ,and
 > started fresh , i did take the cylinder off the old boat , in antiapation
of
 > using it on the new boat , or selling outright , out of quriosity i sent
the
 > cylinder to mel miller to inspect your work and to find out if there was
 > anymore usable hp to be had from the cylinder.
 > and to my total suprise i was told that the cylinder ,basiclly was just
shined
 > up and that the ports where just cleaned up and not reallly ported at all?
 >
 > Like i said in the beging of this post im not here to bash you , just
wanted a
 > explination as to why the cylinder wasent ported ?
 > i think and alot of other people here feel very vunarable when it comes to
 > sending of our motors to be ported by someone , and find out that either
it was
 > ported wrong or different then expected or not at all , i concidered you a
 > trusted freind and cant understand what happend .
 > Doug
 > AGAIN THIS POST WAS NOT INTENDED TO START A WAR
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 9:58 pm
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GEORGIE shold tacke all that ecxtra $$$ he's ripping off pepol and inves in
hookedonfoniks!!!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 11:17 pm
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"As I said before, you received cylinder which was flow
benched with in 1% of accuracy."

I always love it when George uses that line! Why? Because it is complete
and utter nonsense, and from a technical perspective it means ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING. But I'm sure George pats himself on the back every time that he
tries to pull technical jargon out of his ass. Even though it simply makes
him look like a bigger fool to those who have an education and actually know
what such terms mean.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 1:58 am
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Believe it there is no mistake on my part. I'm sure that Miller suggested
more aggressive porting, which originally was not in the interest of the
owner. For some strange reason Douglas became different person I know. When
I read his bitching post about engine builder in Florida I was totally
surprised. This is not same Douglas I use to know.
GJG
"Scottspjs" <scottspjs.RemoveThis@cs.com> wrote in message
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 > Interesting.......Could the self proclaimed saviour of the newsgroup turn
out
 > to be one of the two stroke rapists he has fought so hard to
eliminate?Lets
 > hope not.I'd hate to have to think about the irony of that.<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:08 am
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with all these tec peeps about....you would think more peeps would have
posted in my post few lines down Razz





"AKA_Giz" <The_Giz RemoveThis @Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "As I said before, you received cylinder which was flow
 > benched with in 1% of accuracy."
 >
 > I always love it when George uses that line! Why? Because it is complete
 > and utter nonsense, and from a technical perspective it means ABSOLUTELY
 > NOTHING. But I'm sure George pats himself on the back every time that he
 > tries to pull technical jargon out of his ass. Even though it simply
makes
 > him look like a bigger fool to those who have an education and actually
know
 > what such terms mean.
 >
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:23 am
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What would you know about flow bench work. Tell us why avery serious racer
send their cylinder heads to people who know how to increase engine
efficiency. And when you collect your loose marbles together, luck up some
SAE papers and learn how change in port flow effects power band in two
stroke engine
Educated idiot with out hands on experience is hard to deal with, but over
educated moron is even worst.




"AKA_Giz" <The_Giz.DeleteThis@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
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 > "As I said before, you received cylinder which was flow
 > benched with in 1% of accuracy."
 >
 > I always love it when George uses that line! Why? Because it is complete
 > and utter nonsense, and from a technical perspective it means ABSOLUTELY
 > NOTHING. But I'm sure George pats himself on the back every time that he
 > tries to pull technical jargon out of his ass. Even though it simply
makes
 > him look like a bigger fool to those who have an education and actually
know
 > what such terms mean.
 >
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 9:55 am
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 > When
 >I read his bitching post about engine builder in Florida I was totally
 >surprised. This is not same Douglas I use to know.

engine builder in florida?
if your refering to sbt, i apoligized for my behavior to this news group , but
i have not had any transactions with them ,i was just pissed about the forums
locking me out
geez george our we reaching?<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 10:07 am
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george i have nothing to hide we can post here, if you have nothing to hide
either you wont mind either:
george wrote
First of all Miller has nothing to do with me and Bill selling that peace of
Shit to me. In fact Miller was trying to help solve this nasty crap but I
Respectfully decline his involvement. Miller and I never had any problems
and rest assured that you will not succeed in inflicting one. Don' start
playing, dumb shit with me Douglas. You specifically requested information
regarding port time area, and race entry configuration using pump fuel. I
provided you with that data. If you wish to increase BMEP of the existing
cylinder to a higher level all you had to do is call and I would instructed
you what need do be done for lot less then
$ 500. Miller builds his engines his way and I my way. It is unbelievable
that you would wait almost 3 years to solve what you consider to be
cylinder port problem. Just to refresh your memory. You ordered parts and
ship them to me on November 5 th 2000. Invoice # 90030456 charged to your
credit card $ 232.45 from Beesley Point Sea Doo.
You also ordered and shipped Millers cylinder head from Butches shortly
after. I inspected your crank and ship it to RAD performance because it was
misaligned with cylinder bore just like many other 951 cranks at that time.
Your engine was modified on January 28 th 01. I posted fallowing document
for you to have a record of.

Hi Doug. This paper outlines Port Time Area and flow configuration of your
951 Rotax engine. Cylinder flow is with in 2% accuracy, it is set up for
wide power band. Transfer port blow down is staggered configuration for wide
power band as well. Miller head is set at 6.58:1 CR. MSV is 21.7 m/sec @
7450 rpm. Exhaust port set at 124.6 Bmep-Psi@ 7450, TA HP 68 per cylinder.
Main transfers blow down 39.81 degree. PSI=107.7 hp. Bend width of 3400
rpm, high 8500 low 4900.
5 th port transfers blow down 40.42 degree. PSI=201.3 BLDn=109.9 hp.
Bend width 3300 rpm, high 7900 low 4600 rpm.
OEM head will be machined to a higher CR ratio if you so desire later on.
Doug take care not to mess things up. You will be working with new pipe, new
ignition and modified carburetion. Take your time when setting up your ski,
call me any time you need assistance.I spoke with Gary regarding EGT on your
pipe, he said 1120 F, 7 inches from piston face is the optimum temperature.
It would be smart move to install EGT gage.
Regards and good lack. GJG

Thank God for record keeping. It is obvious that you had your hands full
right from the start. As I recall your ignition was not even close to
specifications of the modified unit. Never the less you did finish setting
it up, you race your ski and you ware very happy with it's performance. I do
have the record of piston wash which you send to me and to a news group. If
you recall Bill O'Neal was impressed with what he seen. Suddenly almost 3
years later you cam up with this bull shit, why?
I can only see one reason behind it and I do not like it. In 20 years of
water craft engine works you are my second customer who fail to fallow my
instructions. Darin Jeff did same mistake, later he sold his HPT ported
cylinder to person from this NG who was a real man and stated publicly on
this NG that HPT ported Kaw cylinder which he purchased from Darrin worked
like charm on his ski. Guess what, Darin and I became good friends, you on
the other hand pretended to be a friend and now you blowing hot air on this
flaming NG.

You have your HPT Ported cylinder I dare any one to put it on flow bench,
record port flow and present a document with even slight resemblance of a
stock OEM cylinder. Tell me this. Why another 951 Rotax engine ported
exactly like the one I did for you, using Coffman's pipe, runs near 7500
rpm kicks ass and takes no prisoners and you having some kind of problem?
Why not call Dan at : 440-285-7606
Adrenalin Racing and find out what he did, instead of bashing HPT Sport,
for no reason what so ever.


George, the short of the matter is this, I had unrelated problems to the
cylinder from the very beginning (water intrusion) which after an amount of
time I decided not to deal with any more.

I sold the boat.

I kept the cylinder.

At this time IM ready to build another boat.
I told you in a previous email that I took the cylinder to miller to have him
hone the cylinder and inspect your work, to ready it to install on new boat.

Then I get a call from him stating that the cylinder was not really ported at
all just shined up.

That is the short of the matter period.

You can put a spin on it anyway you want, I also considered you a friend and
after getting the news about the cylinder I felt very betrayed by you.

Like vie said before you can spew out all the technical stuff you want about
the cylinder, head pipe, etc., but when it really comes down to it, I don't
know what it all means, you may call that acting dumb, but its the fact, what I
do know how to do is tune the boat to its full potental,and use common sense to
get it there.

IM still offering a resolution to this matter and a full apology to you, all we
have to do is send it to another agreeable person to evaluate the cylinder,
and if your right .you will have a public apology ,and a steak dinner at your
choice of restaurant.
respectfully
doug grote
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Douglas your bull shit dos not make any sense. If you have had even minute
water injection true the cylinder head or manifold, then your cylinder would
not survived 5 minutes at WOT. If you have had water coming true cases
like you presume, your top end would not survived 5 seconds at WOT. And if
you take a look at any water craft engine after its run, you will see water
in the all of them. exhaust pipe and even in the cylinders. As long as water
is injected in to a header area, possibility of water damage is always
there. It dos not happen suddenly but if engine is not cleared several times
after use and after transport, then piston and bore will fail sooner or
later. I'm confused in regards to your integrity, you sold you ski be cause
of the water problem to some poor soul who will have to dish out hundreds of
dollars avery time he runs his machine?
I'm also troubled by the fact that Miller may not have my cylinder in his
possession. Do your self and Miller a big favor, ask Miller to provide you
with cylinder porting specification which you clime he has done. Post this
data on this NG and I will post my records of the cylinder flow map be for
and after I work on it. I still think that as soon as carpenter kid found
out that Miller has my cylinder, he ran like hell to Millers shop. Bring
them ass holes down Douglas, the more the better.
So far I'm only pist off at you and amused at rest of the morons who
participating in these posts with out any knowledge what so ever as to what
truly has taken place.
Go for it my man, clean up your act, prove your statements with facts.
For while I was thinking that it was not you, but some impostor, having good
time at my expense, now I know that it is you for sure.

George Ski
HPT Sport USA
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270-898-2617
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 > george i have nothing to hide we can post here, if you have nothing to
hide
 > either you wont mind either:
 > george wrote
 > First of all Miller has nothing to do with me and Bill selling that peace
of
 > Shit to me. In fact Miller was trying to help solve this nasty crap but I
 > Respectfully decline his involvement. Miller and I never had any problems
 > and rest assured that you will not succeed in inflicting one. Don' start
 > playing, dumb shit with me Douglas. You specifically requested information
 > regarding port time area, and race entry configuration using pump fuel. I
 > provided you with that data. If you wish to increase BMEP of the existing
 > cylinder to a higher level all you had to do is call and I would
instructed
 > you what need do be done for lot less then
 > $ 500. Miller builds his engines his way and I my way. It is unbelievable
 > that you would wait almost 3 years to solve what you consider to be
 > cylinder port problem. Just to refresh your memory. You ordered parts and
 > ship them to me on November 5 th 2000. Invoice # 90030456 charged to your
 > credit card $ 232.45 from Beesley Point Sea Doo.
 > You also ordered and shipped Millers cylinder head from Butches shortly
 > after. I inspected your crank and ship it to RAD performance because it
was
 > misaligned with cylinder bore just like many other 951 cranks at that
time.
 > Your engine was modified on January 28 th 01. I posted fallowing document
 > for you to have a record of.
 >
 > Hi Doug. This paper outlines Port Time Area and flow configuration of your
 > 951 Rotax engine. Cylinder flow is with in 2% accuracy, it is set up for
 > wide power band. Transfer port blow down is staggered configuration for
wide
 > power band as well. Miller head is set at 6.58:1 CR. MSV is 21.7 m/sec @
 > 7450 rpm. Exhaust port set at 124.6 Bmep-Psi@ 7450, TA HP 68 per cylinder.
 > Main transfers blow down 39.81 degree. PSI=107.7 hp. Bend width of 3400
 > rpm, high 8500 low 4900.
 > 5 th port transfers blow down 40.42 degree. PSI=201.3 BLDn=109.9 hp.
 > Bend width 3300 rpm, high 7900 low 4600 rpm.
 > OEM head will be machined to a higher CR ratio if you so desire later on.
 > Doug take care not to mess things up. You will be working with new pipe,
new
 > ignition and modified carburetion. Take your time when setting up your
ski,
 > call me any time you need assistance.I spoke with Gary regarding EGT on
your
 > pipe, he said 1120 F, 7 inches from piston face is the optimum
temperature.
 > It would be smart move to install EGT gage.
 > Regards and good lack. GJG
 >
 > Thank God for record keeping. It is obvious that you had your hands full
 > right from the start. As I recall your ignition was not even close to
 > specifications of the modified unit. Never the less you did finish setting
 > it up, you race your ski and you ware very happy with it's performance. I
do
 > have the record of piston wash which you send to me and to a news group.
If
 > you recall Bill O'Neal was impressed with what he seen. Suddenly almost 3
 > years later you cam up with this bull shit, why?
 > I can only see one reason behind it and I do not like it. In 20 years of
 > water craft engine works you are my second customer who fail to fallow my
 > instructions. Darin Jeff did same mistake, later he sold his HPT ported
 > cylinder to person from this NG who was a real man and stated publicly on
 > this NG that HPT ported Kaw cylinder which he purchased from Darrin worked
 > like charm on his ski. Guess what, Darin and I became good friends, you on
 > the other hand pretended to be a friend and now you blowing hot air on
this
 > flaming NG.
 >
 > You have your HPT Ported cylinder I dare any one to put it on flow bench,
 > record port flow and present a document with even slight resemblance of a
 > stock OEM cylinder. Tell me this. Why another 951 Rotax engine ported
 > exactly like the one I did for you, using Coffman's pipe, runs near 7500
 > rpm kicks ass and takes no prisoners and you having some kind of problem?
 > Why not call Dan at : 440-285-7606
 > Adrenalin Racing and find out what he did, instead of bashing HPT Sport,
 > for no reason what so ever.
 >
 >
 > George, the short of the matter is this, I had unrelated problems to the
 > cylinder from the very beginning (water intrusion) which after an amount
of
 > time I decided not to deal with any more.
 >
 > I sold the boat.
 >
 > I kept the cylinder.
 >
 > At this time IM ready to build another boat.
 > I told you in a previous email that I took the cylinder to miller to have
him
 > hone the cylinder and inspect your work, to ready it to install on new
boat.
 >
 > Then I get a call from him stating that the cylinder was not really ported
at
 > all just shined up.
 >
 > That is the short of the matter period.
 >
 > You can put a spin on it anyway you want, I also considered you a friend
and
 > after getting the news about the cylinder I felt very betrayed by you.
 >
 > Like vie said before you can spew out all the technical stuff you want
about
 > the cylinder, head pipe, etc., but when it really comes down to it, I
don't
 > know what it all means, you may call that acting dumb, but its the fact,
what I
 > do know how to do is tune the boat to its full potental,and use common
sense to
 > get it there.
 >
 > IM still offering a resolution to this matter and a full apology to you,
all we
 > have to do is send it to another agreeable person to evaluate the
cylinder,
 > and if your right .you will have a public apology ,and a steak dinner at
your
 > choice of restaurant.
 > respectfully
 > doug grote<!-- ~MESSAGE_AFTER~ -->
 >> Stay informed about: george question about work you did for me 
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