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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
Post subject: One small step for mankind...
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Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
Anonymous Web postings targeted
BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
By John Cheves
JCHEVES DeleteThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
comments to Web sites.
House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
the cloak of anonymity.
"Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
"When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
and nobody knows who you are," he said.
Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
legislature can do about it.
"I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
- - -
Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> By John Cheves
> JCHE... DeleteThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
>
> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> comments to Web sites.
>
> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>
> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>
> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> the cloak of anonymity.
>
> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>
> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>
> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> legislature can do about it.
>
> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> - - -
>
> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> name and real ISP.
Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
ploy anyway, someone looking for votes. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Mar 10, 5:03 pm, BAR <Screw....RemoveThis@Your.Place> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >> By John Cheves
> >> JCHE....RemoveThis@HERALD-LEADER.COM
>
> >> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> >> comments to Web sites.
>
> >> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> >> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> >> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>
> >> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>
> >> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> >> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> >> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> >> the cloak of anonymity.
>
> >> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> >> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>
> >> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> >> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>
> >> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> >> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >> legislature can do about it.
>
> >> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> >> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> >> - - -
>
> >> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start..
> >> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >> name and real ISP.
>
> > Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> > software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> > access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> > ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
>
> The law is unenforceable.- Hide quoted text -
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Unless congress goes back and changes the bar height? I would just
shut them out as best I could and count on the courts to accept our
intent and best efforts not to break the law. We have already seen
what can happen when a corrupt congress goes back and changes the
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
"@yahoo.com> wrote:
> HK wrote:
> > justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>> By John Cheves
> >>> JCHE... RemoveThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
>
> >>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> >>> comments to Web sites.
>
> >>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> >>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> >>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>
> >>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>
> >>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> >>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> >>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> >>> the cloak of anonymity.
>
> >>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> >>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>
> >>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> >>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>
> >>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> >>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>> legislature can do about it.
>
> >>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> >>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> >>> - - -
>
> >>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> >>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >>> name and real ISP.
>
> >> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> >> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
>
> > Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
>
> Harry,
> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is.
> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
> what would you do differently when communicating with someone in UseNet?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
Post subject: Re: One small step for mankind... [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 10, 6:39 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
"@yahoo.com> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> > "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> HK wrote:
> >>> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>>>> By John Cheves
> >>>>> JCHE... RemoveThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
> >>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> >>>>> comments to Web sites.
> >>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> >>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> >>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
> >>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
> >>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> >>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> >>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> >>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
> >>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> >>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
> >>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> >>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
> >>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> >>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>>>> legislature can do about it.
> >>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> >>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> >>>>> - - -
> >>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> >>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >>>>> name and real ISP.
> >>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> >>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
> >>> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
> >> Harry,
> >> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> >> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
> >> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is..
> >> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
> >> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> >> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
> >> what would you do differently when communicating with someone in UseNet?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
> > directly to his house... Just for the record...
>
> Yes, but how do I know you are not lying to me?  - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Guess you got me there;) How do you know I am not another sock puppet
produced in the mind of our alledged Mr. Krause for that matter? >> Stay informed about: One small step for mankind... |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Mar 10, 6:44 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> > "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> HK wrote:
> >>> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>>>> By John Cheves
> >>>>> JCHE... RemoveThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
> >>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> >>>>> comments to Web sites.
> >>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> >>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> >>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
> >>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
> >>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> >>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> >>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> >>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
> >>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> >>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
> >>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> >>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
> >>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> >>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>>>> legislature can do about it.
> >>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> >>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> >>>>> - - -
> >>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> >>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >>>>> name and real ISP.
> >>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> >>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
> >>> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
> >> Harry,
> >> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> >> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
> >> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is..
> >> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
> >> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> >> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
> >> what would you do differently when communicating with someone in UseNet?- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
> > directly to his house... Just for the record...
>
> That's correct. There are quite a few people here with whom I have
> exchanged "real" information.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas;) Or upstate New York for that
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Mar 10, 6:57 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> BAR wrote:
> > justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mar 10, 6:39 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> >> "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> >>>> "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> HK wrote:
> >>>>>> justwaitafrekinmin....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>>>>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>>>>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>>>>>>> By John Cheves
> >>>>>>>> JCHE....DeleteThis@HERALD-LEADER.COM
> >>>>>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting
> >>>>>>>> anonymous
> >>>>>>>> comments to Web sites.
> >>>>>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would
> >>>>>>>> require
> >>>>>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name,
> >>>>>>>> address
> >>>>>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name
> >>>>>>>> then would
> >>>>>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
> >>>>>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined
> >>>>>>>> $500
> >>>>>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
> >>>>>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>>>>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing
> >>>>>>>> it. But
> >>>>>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and
> >>>>>>>> often untrue
> >>>>>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding
> >>>>>>>> behind
> >>>>>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
> >>>>>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my
> >>>>>>>> district,
> >>>>>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too.."
> >>>>>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about
> >>>>>>>> someone,
> >>>>>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
> >>>>>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online
> >>>>>>>> roasting,
> >>>>>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>>>>>>> legislature can do about it.
> >>>>>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its
> >>>>>>>> own. It's
> >>>>>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The
> >>>>>>>> state can
> >>>>>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do
> >>>>>>>> anything."
> >>>>>>>> - - -
> >>>>>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's
> >>>>>>>> a start.
> >>>>>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full,
> >>>>>>>> real
> >>>>>>>> name and real ISP.
> >>>>>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >>>>>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >>>>>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a
> >>>>>>> political
> >>>>>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
> >>>>>> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
> >>>>> Harry,
> >>>>> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> >>>>> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you
> >>>>> are,
> >>>>> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone
> >>>>> number is.
> >>>>> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry
> >>>>> Krause,
> >>>>> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> >>>>> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
> >>>>> what would you do differently when communicating with someone in
> >>>>> UseNet?- Hide quoted text -
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>> I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
> >>>> directly to his house... Just for the record...
> >>> Yes, but how do I know you are not lying to me? - Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> Guess you got me there;) How do you know I am not another sock puppet
> >> produced in the mind of our alledged Mr. Krause for that matter?
>
> > I think Krause's fingers would would go stiff, his head would start
> > shaking and he would fall out of his chair if he had to type some of the
> > stuff you have typed.
>
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> - Show quoted text -
What's even worse is when Harry goes on secret missions for the DNC
and I have to type all that anti American BS.. man it's tough to sound
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On Mar 10, 7:15 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
"@yahoo.com> wrote:
> justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> > "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> HK wrote:
> >>> justwaitafrekinmin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....TakeThisOut@mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>>>> By John Cheves
> >>>>> JCHE....TakeThisOut@HERALD-LEADER.COM
> >>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> >>>>> comments to Web sites.
> >>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> >>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> >>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
> >>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
> >>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> >>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> >>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> >>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
> >>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> >>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
> >>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> >>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
> >>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> >>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>>>> legislature can do about it.
> >>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> >>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> >>>>> - - -
> >>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> >>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >>>>> name and real ISP.
> >>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> >>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
> >>> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
> >> Harry,
> >> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> >> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
> >> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is..
> >> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
> >> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> >> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
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> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
> > directly to his house... Just for the record...
>
> PS - But if Harry's Law was applied to UseNet, Harry would have to let
> everyone know that information, including the guy from Thailand living
> in Canada, who took offense to Harry saying he was having incest with
> his underage sister and pimping his underage sister. I think the guy
> said he wanted to walk up to Harry's door late at night and have him say
> that to his face, or something to that effect.
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You are correct in that accountability would certainly change the
internet.. An area it would really help in is copyright infringement.
On the other hand, like gun control, only the crims would remain
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justwaitafrekinminute.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
>> By John Cheves
>> JCHE....RemoveThis@HERALD-LEADER.COM
>>
>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
>> comments to Web sites.
>>
>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>>
>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>>
>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
>> the cloak of anonymity.
>>
>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>>
>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>>
>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
>> legislature can do about it.
>>
>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
>> - - -
>>
>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
>> name and real ISP.
>
> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
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"HK" <payer33859 RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote in message
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> justwaitafrekinminute RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
>>> name and real ISP.
>>
>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
>
>
> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
Heh. You realize, don't you Harry, that a picture you posted a while back
of your Vista desktop clearly showed a shortcut to a program called, "Hide
My ISP" ?
Not being "snarky", but everytime you complain about anonymity I think of
that image and program.
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<justwaitafrekinminute RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> By John Cheves
> JCHE... RemoveThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
>
> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
> comments to Web sites.
>
> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>
> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>
> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
> the cloak of anonymity.
>
> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>
> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>
> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> legislature can do about it.
>
> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
> - - -
>
> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> name and real ISP.
Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
Just Wait A f'n minute - Doesn't a web site owner have control over what
is put up on that site? It's kind of like a moderated newsgroup. I think
legislators should be strung up for sponsoring frivolous legislation. Well,
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justwaitafrekinminute DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... DeleteThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
>> By John Cheves
>> JCHE... DeleteThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
>>
>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
>> comments to Web sites.
>>
>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>>
>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>>
>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
>> the cloak of anonymity.
>>
>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>>
>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>>
>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
>> legislature can do about it.
>>
>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
>> - - -
>>
>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
>> name and real ISP.
>
> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
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On Mar 10, 7:39 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
"@yahoo.com> wrote:
> JimH wrote:
> > "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here "@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:aoWdnbiam-pqJUjanZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Mar 10, 6:23 pm, "Reginald P. Smithers III" <"Reggie is Here
> >>> "@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> HK wrote:
> >>>>> justwaitafrekinmin... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33... RemoveThis @mypacks.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
> >>>>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
> >>>>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
> >>>>>>> By John Cheves
> >>>>>>> JCHE... RemoveThis @HERALD-LEADER.COM
> >>>>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting
> >>>>>>> anonymous
> >>>>>>> comments to Web sites.
> >>>>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would
> >>>>>>> require
> >>>>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
> >>>>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
> >>>>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
> >>>>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
> >>>>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
> >>>>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it.
> >>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often
> >>>>>>> untrue
> >>>>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding
> >>>>>>> behind
> >>>>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
> >>>>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my
> >>>>>>> district,
> >>>>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
> >>>>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about
> >>>>>>> someone,
> >>>>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
> >>>>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online
> >>>>>>> roasting,
> >>>>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
> >>>>>>> legislature can do about it.
> >>>>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own..
> >>>>>>> It's
> >>>>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
> >>>>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do
> >>>>>>> anything."
> >>>>>>> - - -
> >>>>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a
> >>>>>>> start.
> >>>>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
> >>>>>>> name and real ISP.
> >>>>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
> >>>>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
> >>>>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
> >>>>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
> >>>>> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
> >>>> Harry,
> >>>> Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
> >>>> anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
> >>>> there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is.
> >>>> We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
> >>>> or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
> >>>> background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
> >>>> what would you do differently when communicating with someone in
> >>>> UseNet?- Hide quoted text -
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> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>> I know who he is, and could call him right now or send him a letter,
> >>> directly to his house... Just for the record...
> >> Yes, but how do I know you are not lying to me?
>
> > Reginald P. Smithers obviously does not want to change the tone of this NG
> > and continues with his nasty ways. Surprised?
>
> I am not certain, but i don't think Just took any offense to my
> statement. I think he took it as a friendly joke. I am glad to see
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Yup, no problem.. I should note that I am one of the several here who
are very easy to find. My name, add, pictures, etc, are right there
for anyone who wants to find me so I am a little stifleled and
controled. I must admit that when I was first outed (by someone who
does not particularly like my politics and did it only to force my
self censorship, someone who comes in and complains once in a while
then leaves again) I was a little pissed, but now I kind of think it
is ok, gives me credibility, and makes me think a little about what I
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justwaitafrekinminute.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mar 10, 5:03 pm, BAR <Screw....RemoveThis@Your.Place> wrote:
>> justwaitafrekinmin....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....RemoveThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
>>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
>>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
>>>> By John Cheves
>>>> JCHE....RemoveThis@HERALD-LEADER.COM
>>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
>>>> comments to Web sites.
>>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
>>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
>>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
>>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
>>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
>>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
>>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
>>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
>>>> the cloak of anonymity.
>>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
>>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
>>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
>>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
>>>> legislature can do about it.
>>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
>>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
>>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
>>>> - - -
>>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
>>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
>>>> name and real ISP.
>>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
>>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
>>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
>>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
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> Unless congress goes back and changes the bar height? I would just
> shut them out as best I could and count on the courts to accept our
> intent and best efforts not to break the law. We have already seen
> what can happen when a corrupt congress goes back and changes the
> rules retroactivly, think "legal wire taps"...
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HK wrote:
> justwaitafrekinminute.DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mar 10, 4:12 pm, HK <payer33....DeleteThis@mypacks.net> wrote:
>>> Posted on Thu, Mar. 06, 2008
>>> Anonymous Web postings targeted
>>> BILL WOULD REQUIRE NAMES, ADDRESSES
>>> By John Cheves
>>> JCHE....DeleteThis@HERALD-LEADER.COM
>>>
>>> A bill filed in the House would keep Kentuckians from posting anonymous
>>> comments to Web sites.
>>>
>>> House Bill 775, filed Tuesday by Rep. Tim Couch, R-Hyden, would require
>>> anyone who contributes to a Web site to register a real name, address
>>> and e-mail address with that Web site. The person's full name then would
>>> be used whenever he or she posted a comment.
>>>
>>> Web site operators who violate the disclosure law would be fined $500
>>> for a first offense and $1,000 for each subsequent offense.
>>>
>>> Couch readily acknowledged on Wednesday that his bill raises First
>>> Amendment issues regarding free speech, so he won't be pushing it. But
>>> he wanted to call attention to the phenomenon of unkind and often untrue
>>> comments about people being posted online by Kentuckians hiding behind
>>> the cloak of anonymity.
>>>
>>> "Some nasty things have been said about high school kids in my district,
>>> usually by other kids," Couch said. "The adults get in on it, too."
>>>
>>> "When you're anonymous, you can say anything you want to about someone,
>>> and nobody knows who you are," he said.
>>>
>>> Couch said he, too, has been the subject of anonymous online roasting,
>>> and while he doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't think there's much the
>>> legislature can do about it.
>>>
>>> "I think right now (online posting) is pretty much just on its own. It's
>>> a machine that's going to go its own way," Couch said. "The state can
>>> try to pass some rules, but I don't really think it would do anything."
>>> - - -
>>>
>>> Not quite my idea for shedding the cloak of anonymity, but it's a start.
>>> I'd love to see usenet require posters to post with their full, real
>>> name and real ISP.
>>
>> Could get costly. As a web hosting provider I would be looking for a
>> software package that would block all ip's from that state to any
>> access to my systems, just like Indonesia and China. It is a political
>> ploy anyway, someone looking for votes.
>
>
> Well, I think getting rid of usenet anonymity is a great idea.
Harry,
Beside you telling us your name is Harry Krause, you are just as
anonymous as "Reggie". No one really knows which Harry Krause you are,
there are many in the US and what your home address and phone number is.
We really don't know for certain if your name really is Harry Krause,
or it is just a UseNet persona. If everyone had to submit to a
background check, and all of the information was in the public domain,
what would you do differently when communicating with someone in UseNet? >> Stay informed about: One small step for mankind... |
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