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max camirand

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(Msg. 76) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:17 pm
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Thanks for the responses, everyone. I appreciate it.

Going to bed less stupid...

-Max


max camirand wrote:
> Matt:
>
> I'm too young to remember the seventies. Can you point me towards a
> link that explains what you're talking about, with regards to reduced
> fuel efficiency in cars for marginally better results at the tailpipe?
> Sounds interesting.
>
> Thanks
>
> -Maxime Camirand
>
>
> Matt Colie wrote:
> > KLC,
> >
> > I don't like the thought of spills either, but three Canadian companies
> > have a total of 450+ wells for both oil and natural gas in Lake Erie
> > alone. They seem to manage just fine (with gear and technology from
> > American suppliers).
> >
> > Recently, I was told by someone that has studied these problems for many
> > years that most of the oil on Lake Erie comes from untrapped storm
> > drains. The last big one was the Rouge River about three years ago.
> >
> > We have the opportunity to correct a lot of problems if we pick the real
> > ones instead of the "politically correct" ones.
> >
> > This has been my problem with the "evironmental movement" since they
> > forced cars to get much reduced fuel economy in favor of maginally
> > reduced tailpipe emissions. Remember the early cat cars of the mid
> > seventies?
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > KLC Lewis wrote:
> > > "Matt Colie" <nobody DeleteThis @netspam.net> wrote in message
> > > news:_Omah.51$gS6.18@newsfe07.lga...
> > >
> > >>Why do they make noise about dependence on foreign oil and not let anybody
> > >>go get what we have. (Canada has wells in most of the great lakes - we
> > >>aren't allowed to, Cuba will soon be using Chinese investment to drill
> > >>under the Florida straight - we can't do that either.)
> > >>
> > >>Matt Colie - environmentally conscious but educated and realistic
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm all for energy-independence, but I cannot believe that oil wells on our
> > > Great Lakes would be a good idea. Oil spills from rigs on the oceans are bad
> > > enough -- but similar spills on the Lakes would be disasterous.
> > >
> > >

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(Msg. 77) Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 10:19 pm
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(Msg. 78) Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:59 pm
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It wasn't the new factories that enabled Japan, it was an American Quality
Control expert. And a set of managers that would listen to him.

Detroit refused to listen to Edward Demming who was telling American
automobile manufacturers that the American people wanted cars that would not
only look good but run well, too. When the manufacturers failed to listen,
Demming took his ideas to Japan and for the next decade the Japanese owned
the American car market.

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>>Everybody tends to forget that Germany and Japan both had all brand new
>>factories that (by enlarge) we paid for in the late fourties, but the US
>>plants all got seriously beat up making the hardware to win that war.
>
> I always said the best thing we could ave done was bomb all our own
> factories in 1946 so we could all start fresh.
>
> I agree 100% it was the Japanese who made us stop making the same
> basic car we started WWII with. The same is true of outboard motors
> (to give this thread a "boaty" spin)
> My mercury is still a Yamaha design and a lot of the parts are
> interchangable until you get down the US designed "big foot".
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(Msg. 79) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:31 am
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derbyrm wrote:
> It wasn't the new factories that enabled Japan, it was an American Quality
> Control expert. And a set of managers that would listen to him.
>
> Detroit refused to listen to Edward Demming who was telling American
> automobile manufacturers that the American people wanted cars that would not
> only look good but run well, too. When the manufacturers failed to listen,
> Demming took his ideas to Japan and for the next decade the Japanese owned
> the American car market.
>


Plus the rust problem in the '70s.
The Big 3 .,especially Ford, deserved to be run out of town on a rail.
They smugly sat back and let the imports get a toehold which grew into
an avalanche.
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